[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school

[Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)]

No, with what you've written,I can't tel if you don't like the guy so
are primmed to see abuse everywhere, if you are all gooey about your
puppy so are also primmed to see abuse, if you have some skewed notion
of "docile little blind person, I want to own one" or if the guy is
truly being abusive. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:58 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school

isn't that what abuse is... if we liked abuse it wouldn't be abuse would
it?



Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> Totally agree. 
> My problem with Jordan's logic is that she is equating abuse to stuff
> she doesn't like. When I read the post about the guy puking on his dog
I
> thought "Did this guy not call her "the morning after" and she's now
> looking for revenge"? 
> Then my thought is "How dare the blind guy go out and drink, oh look,
he
> took his dog with him when he did it, I'll say he's abusing it". 
> That whole attitude strikes me as paternalistic. 
> Most people will do dumb things with their dogs not because we have
> dogs, but because we're human. WE'll do the same with our spouses, our
> friends, our kids, our stuff, you name it. 
> Jordan, a good litness test is "If this guy was sighted and took his
pet
> dog to an outdoor dog-friendly bar or to just a dog-friendly bar, and
> puked on his dog, would you care?" 
> You are using "That poor puppy" as an excuse to hit the abuse button
for
> behavior you don't like. 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:36 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
> I would agree that throwing up on one's dog is hardly ideal.  However,

> sometimes stuff happens.  I take my dog to bars when I go.  My dog is

> there if I drink alcohol.  Granted, I'm at the point in my life, where

> time and experience has taught me that drinking until one throws up is

> hardly a good idea, for a number of reasons.  However I don't think  
> taking my dog to the bar and drinking is a crime.  If someone saw my  
> dog at a bar and saw me drinking and having a good time with friends  
> and they accused me of abuse, I'd be pretty upset.
> People are different, they have different lifestyles.  Some dogs don't

> like bars and the noise does bother them.  If someone had a dog like  
> that, I would hope they'd use their judgement and not take the dog.   
> However if the dog is like mine and doesn't really care, then who's  
> business is it of anyone's to say I should, or should not have my dog

> at a bar?
> Also if someone threw up on their dog because they were ill, is that  
> still abuse, or is it the drinking plus the vomiting that is the
issue?
> I drink, I go to bars.  I live in New Orleans and my dog goes on  
> Bourbon street with me and I have a hard time thinking this is
abusive.
>
> My dog gets fed, loved, medical care.  She works has toys, other dog  
> friends and I spend lots of time with her.  Does the fact that someone

> drinks alcohol with their dog at a bar then negate all of the other  
> things?
> I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm honestly curious.
>
>
> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point

> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half- 
> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
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>
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