[nagdu] Disabled vet and service dog banned from supermarket

Thu Aug 12 19:52:59 UTC 2010

I know GDF has a vetdog program, and not sure what they do teach them.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Disabled vet and service dog banned from supermarket

> Hi Julie,
> I was replying to your e-mail when the electricity cut out - computer 
> didn't
> like that shutdown!  So, here goes again.
>
> It doesn't matter to me if a dog is program trained or owner trained.  I
> care that the dog IS trained and the appropriate dog is used.  I was just
> curious if the dog was school trained by a service dog program because I
> wanted to know what they taught their dogs and graduates about access 
> rights
> and responsibilities.  If the dog was owner trained, I wanted to know if 
> she
> really knew what she was doing.  I have known and seen owner trained dogs
> who were trained very well and were good ambassodors for the service dog
> community.  I have also known people who just brought out their untrained
> pet and called it a "service dog" when the dog never was trained to do
> anything.  This one caused alot of problems in public and gave us all a 
> very
> bad name.
>
> Outside of NAGDU list folks who train their own dog, I've known a couple 
> of
> blind women who owner trained their own guide dogs.  I was impressed with
> the job they did and the quality of dog they had. One I knew from the 
> 1970s
> in Boston and the other I spent the afternoon with during a visit to CT in
> 1998.  They did a great job with their dogs.  Here in San Diego, I have 
> been
> the lone voice to defend owner training to the folks here who were dumping
> on the rights of people to owner train.  Our blind center was trying to 
> pass
> a rule that only school trained guide or service dogs were allowed in - 
> this
> was before ADA passed. My view finally prevailed and the ADA passed making
> the proposed rule moot.
>
> So, I was just curious as to what training the woman and her dog got, 
> that's
> all. (grin!)
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Disabled vet and service dog banned from supermarket
>
>
> > Lyn,
> > Out of curiosity, how would the knowledge of what program the dog came
> > from or if it was owner trained affect your opinion of the situation
> > described in the article?
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Disabled vet and service dog banned from 
> > supermarket
> >
> >
> >> Interesting article.  My question is why was the dog OFF LEASH???  Why
> >> did it have several accidents???
> >>
> >> It sounds like the dog could do its job on leash and under control of 
> >> the
> >> owner.  Sounds like the owner isn't giving the dog enough time to 
> >> relieve
> >> before entering the store.  Or, the dog either has a medical problem, 
> >> or
> >> is stressed and not a good candidate for service dog work.
> >>
> >> Now, really we all don't know what really happened because none of us
> >> were there to see the incident.  I wonder if a program trained the dog
> >> and owner or was the dog a pet she trained herself and didn't do such a
> >> great job in selecting an appropriate dog to work for her.
> >>
> >> I'd like to hear the store's version of the story.  Perhaps the 
> >> business
> >> has had alot of problems with this person and her dog - even though she
> >> did pick up the mess.
> >>
> >> Over the course of my guide dog using career, I've had a few dogs -
> >> including Landon - have a very occassional accident in a store.  Landon
> >> had an accident in CostCo when I first got him and wasn't clear on his
> >> relieving needs yet.  there was no problem as we picked it up right
> >> away - it was a poop.  I have never had a store "ban" my dogs because 
> >> of
> >> an accident.  Hey, kids have accidents of some sort all the time and 
> >> the
> >> store workers know this! (grin!)
> >>
> >> Lyn and Landon
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> >> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:16 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Disabled vet and service dog banned from supermarket
> >>
> >>
> >> If the store is to be believed, it sounds like the owner is largely at
> >> fault, though the bit about calling ahead leaves a bad taste in my
> >> mouth.
> >>
> >>>From
> >>>http://www.examiner.com/x-36055-Hartford-Disability-Examiner~y2010m8d4-Disabled-vet-and-service-dog-banned-from-supermarket
> >>
> >> According to NBC News Connecticut, Kim Mucha is a veteran who served
> >> in the Air Force Military Police. She was injured in battle and now
> >> requires the help
> >> of a service dog to keep her balance and reach lower placed objects.
> >>
> >> Ms. Mucha entered the Big Y in North Haven, Connecticut along with her
> >> service dog, Ivy, to do some shopping. While in the store, Ivy
> >> defecated in an aisle.
> >> Despite the fact that Mucha cleaned up the feces immediately, she was
> >> banned from the store. Mucha told the New Haven Register, "They
> >> treated me and my
> >> dog like criminals."
> >>
> >> A spokeswoman for the store, Claire D'Amour-Daley, defended the
> >> decision stating the store was well within its right. She told the
> >> Register that the dog
> >> was not on a leash at the time that it had several accidents,
> >> including one near a food preparation area. D'Amour-Daley went on to
> >> say that the Big Y
> >> is happy to work with people and their service dogs, but prefers that
> >> the customer call ahead to inform the store prior to arrival.
> >>
> >> There is no stipulation in the
> >> Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
> >> stating that individuals need to give notice to a business prior to
> >> entering. Mucha told the paper that she is considering filing a
> >> lawsuit against the
> >> Big Y stores.
> >>
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