[nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with bans

Margo and Arrow margo.downey at verizon.net
Wed Aug 25 16:37:49 UTC 2010 

We have a couple of people here who use pit bulls for balance and they're
wonderful.  They get on our buses and walk the streets and are no problem.

Margo and Arrow 

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jewel S.
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:19 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with bans

Is it disturbing to insist on having a doberman pinscher for a service dog?
Is it disturbing to insist on having a German shepherd? I just don't see how
it can be any different for a pit bull. I have known some awesome pit bulls
and I have known some horrible ones. I have known the same for many breeds
of dog...the worst on the latter side was a ten-year-old
chihuahua....*shudder* I had some "nice" bites on my ankles and hands from
that dog. Let's ban chihuahuas!

I do not believe one breed should be banned over another. If a ban is
placed, it should be only in an apartment complex and on all large
dogs...large dogs just don't belong in tiny apartments all day while people
are at work (service dogs, going out with their handlers all day, are
different, of course).

This man should not have had to fight for his service animal to be
permitted. The law specifically states that service animals arae to be
permitted wherever the public is. And please don't think that just because
the man's condition is PTSD that the dog is an emotional support only
dog....PTSD is a serious condition. The dog may warn him of people walking
up behind him (I knew a guy with PTSD who, if apprached from behind, could
very likely grab the person and fling them to the ground before even
realizing it), warn the handler of incoming panic attacks so he can remove
himself from the situation either temporararily or permanently, and could
possibly be able to prevent panic attacks with various methods (licking face
or hands, paws on the lap or hip, etc.). Unless you know what the dog
specifically does, please don't assume that it is an emotional support
animal.

Finally, I don't see where he "insisted" on having a pit bull. It is the dog
he chose for his service animal, or a school chose for him. He may have
chosen the dog for temperament, personality, or anything else and may not
have even considered the breed an issue at the time. Let's not assume that
he thinks his dog *has* to be a pit bull, please. If you had a pit bull
guide dog, wouldn't you be insisting equal access?

My two (or four) cents,
Jewel

On 8/25/10, Sherrill O'Brien <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net> wrote:
> This insistence on having a pit bull is disturbing.  This sounds like 
> an emotional support dog to me.  Aside from making this guy feel 
> secure wherever he is, is it mitigating a physical disability?  We 
> don't have enough information here to know for sure.
>
> Sherrill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:56 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with bans
>
>
> Pit bulls could once again live in cities with bans written by: 
> Jeffrey Wolf Kevin Torres 9News.com
> http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149806
> <http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149806&provider=t
> op&catid=188> &provider=top&catid=188
> DENVER, COLORADO  - Glenn Belcher and his dog Sky enjoy walking and 
> playing in Cheesman Park, but Walker couldn't get his dog there 
> without a fight.
>
> He filed an injunction and a lawsuit with the city, letting him bring 
> Sky, who is a pit bull, anywhere.
>
> "I'm more responsible of this dog than most parents are with their 
> children," Belcher said.
>
> He is a Gulf War veteran and suffers from post traumatic stress 
> disorder (PTSD). For the past two years, Sky has served as his service 
> dog.
>
> "He's my medication and I have a prescription written for him,"
> Belcher said.
>
> That prescription comes from the Denver VA Hospital. Very soon, others 
> with disabilities will also be allowed to have pit bulls as service 
> dogs in other cities that have bans like Denver.
>
> "That's the type of dog they've chosen to have and they should have 
> every right with their disability to have whatever dog they feel is 
> best suited for them," Jennifer Edwards, an attorney with the Animal 
> Law Center, said.
>
> Tuesday afternoon, the Denver City Council discussed a ruling from the 
> federal government that says they have to allow people with 
> disabilities the right to have pit bulls as service dogs if they 
> choose.
>
> "I think the consensus is: you have to do something. You can't ignore 
> the fact that the Department of Justice has signaled that if a person 
> with disabilities claims as their service animal a kind of dog you've 
> banned in a municipal ordinance, that you're going to have to 
> accommodate that person's wish to have that animal as a service 
> animal," David Broadwell, an assistant city attorney, said.
>
> The city says it could be difficult to manage.
>
> "Clearly there has to be an observed linkage between the person's 
> disability and the service being provided by the dog. It will either 
> be evident or it won't," Broadwell said.
>
> The Denver City Council will discuss the issue again next week.
>
>
> (KUSA-TV C 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
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>   attherally wrote:
> I love my pit bull!!
> 8/25/2010 5:34 AM PDT on 9news.com
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>
>   denvertouch wrote:
> Simply Pathetic. I would a PITBULL with newborn children over nearly 
> every other breed of dog. PEOPLE have TRAINED these animals to be 
> killing machines....they were not created that way.
> 8/25/2010 5:06 AM PDT on 9news.com
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>
>   Taurus2 wrote:
> I'll be they make great service dogs. Pit bulls are extremely 
> loyal,happy and friendly dogs. It's the idiots who raise them to be 
> otherwise that are to blame for any viciouseness they display.
> 8/25/2010 4:06 AM PDT on 9news.com
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>
>   DCrook wrote:
>
> Right turn, Clyde!
>
>
> 8/25/2010 1:16 AM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend   Permalink
>
>   kingofkings80011 wrote:
> You know what.... I have a two year old Blue nose Pitbull and Lab mix 
> and I live in Aurora Colorado. My dog never once bit anybody nor 
> displays any angry behavior. I know people say it's the owners who 
> torment these dogs to make them killing machines, which is true in 
> most younger owners(meaning gang bangers), but there's people like my 
> father that says just because there a Pitbull he is gonna kill 
> someone! There are people in power that thinks like my father and says 
> to just get rid of them because they all have a bad name because 
> people wants to have a weapon killing machine! I say re-do the ban on 
> all dogs, and if anyone comes across "any type" of dog to call animal 
> control and have them removed. I hope they really do left the ban for 
> all people to have pitbulls again in cities. I mean they made pot 
> legal, why not this!
> 8/24/2010 11:46 PM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend (2)   Permalink
>
>   strkssd wrote:
> i love this story. Someone standing up for the pit bulls, and showing 
> what good they can do if trained properly. I love it!
> 8/24/2010 11:08 PM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend (4)   Permalink
>
>   thejeepuwant wrote:
> omgomgomg~wtfwtfwtf :D
> 8/24/2010 10:54 PM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend (4)   Permalink
>
>   omgomgomg wrote:
> So then, what ARE the statistics for monkey driven tank attacks?
> I guess I was hasty in saying that they were less likely to happen.
> 8/24/2010 10:37 PM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend   Permalink
>
>   BrutalMaster wrote:
> mmmmmm
> 8/24/2010 10:33 PM PDT on 9news.com
> Recommend (1)   Permalink
>
>   topscratch wrote:
> To omgomgomg and bizzman662;
>
> You both are very funny. Ridiculous, but funny. The Justice Department 
> actually addressed monkey's and wildlife in the decision.
> http://network.bestfriends.org/campaigns/pitbulls/pages/americans
> -with-disabilities-act-title-ii.aspx
>
> I guess tanks might generally be safer, but that also depends on when 
> you started counting fatalities related to them. Certainly, less 
> people have died as a result of tank attacks in Denver, but worldwide, 
> perhaps you should talk to a veteran of our military.
> Particularly if you are going to insult their intelligence.
> 8/24/2010 10:28 PM PDT on 9news.com
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>
>
>
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