[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with bans

Wed Aug 25 18:17:06 UTC 2010

Rusty was retired last year. He is a chocolate Lab and just couldn't handle
the heat here in Arizona. He is living happily with another family and is
doing well. He was six when I retired him. I miss him greatly, but I had to
do what was best for him.

Sharonda

On 8/25/10, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>
> Cheranda, I'd be curious to know why you no longer havea guide? I don't
> either and am on the list for the same reasons as you.
> I have been told that in England pit bulls are sometimes called nanny
> dogs because they are good at protecting children. I know very little
> about this. I do think though that banning the breed is a bad idea. The
> bad boys that want to harm dogs don't much care about city laws. People
> who do can't socialize their pit bulls, nor get medical treatment. How
> does that help anybody.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:22 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities
> with bans
>
> I totally agree with Jewel and Pawpower Creations. I am still on this
> list
> because I like staying up to date with what is going on with guide dogs.
> I
> do not have a guide any longer. But what we do have is a Pit Bull puppy.
> She
> is very loving and kind. She is not mean and vicious in any way. She is
> obedient and very loyal and loves people. I have scoured the net and
> found
> many instances were Pit Bulls have made awesome service dogs as well as
> great therapy dogs.
>
> Their name has been maligned, and that is too bad. I agree that many
> owners
> have trained them wrong, or not trained them at all. But they can indeed
> be
> sweet loving dogs.
> Sharonda
>
>
>
> On 8/25/10, Pawpower Creations <pawpower at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Jewel.  I couldn't have said it better.
> > I know many pitbulls who are just the sweetest dogs you could possibly
> > imagine, and many of them would make awesome service dogs.  I have
> even
> > considered a pitbull for my next guide.  Dobermans also have a bad
> > reputation, and in some places are banned just as pitbulls are.  Yet I
> know
> > many people who use dobermans for their service dogs, and my wife
> Rox'E is
> > one of them.  Laveau is not only very smart and a great guide,  she is
> also
> > the most even tempered, gentle,  sweet loving dog that I have ever
> met.
> >
> > Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
> > Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
> >
> > Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
> > Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
> > 504-312-2609
> > pawpower at cox.net
> > www.pawpowercreations.com
> > Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
> harnesses.
> >
> > With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
> > The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
> > The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
> > The only creature faithful to the end.
> >
> > George Crabbe
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S."
> <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with
> bans
> >
> >
> >  Is it disturbing to insist on having a doberman pinscher for a
> service
> >> dog? Is it disturbing to insist on having a German shepherd? I just
> >> don't see how it can be any different for a pit bull. I have known
> >> some awesome pit bulls and I have known some horrible ones. I have
> >> known the same for many breeds of dog...the worst on the latter side
> >> was a ten-year-old chihuahua....*shudder* I had some "nice" bites on
> >> my ankles and hands from that dog. Let's ban chihuahuas!
> >>
> >> I do not believe one breed should be banned over another. If a ban is
> >> placed, it should be only in an apartment complex and on all large
> >> dogs...large dogs just don't belong in tiny apartments all day while
> >> people are at work (service dogs, going out with their handlers all
> >> day, are different, of course).
> >>
> >> This man should not have had to fight for his service animal to be
> >> permitted. The law specifically states that service animals arae to
> be
> >> permitted wherever the public is. And please don't think that just
> >> because the man's condition is PTSD that the dog is an emotional
> >> support only dog....PTSD is a serious condition. The dog may warn him
> >> of people walking up behind him (I knew a guy with PTSD who, if
> >> apprached from behind, could very likely grab the person and fling
> >> them to the ground before even realizing it), warn the handler of
> >> incoming panic attacks so he can remove himself from the situation
> >> either temporararily or permanently, and could possibly be able to
> >> prevent panic attacks with various methods (licking face or hands,
> >> paws on the lap or hip, etc.). Unless you know what the dog
> >> specifically does, please don't assume that it is an emotional
> support
> >> animal.
> >>
> >> Finally, I don't see where he "insisted" on having a pit bull. It is
> >> the dog he chose for his service animal, or a school chose for him.
> He
> >> may have chosen the dog for temperament, personality, or anything
> else
> >> and may not have even considered the breed an issue at the time.
> Let's
> >> not assume that he thinks his dog *has* to be a pit bull, please. If
> >> you had a pit bull guide dog, wouldn't you be insisting equal access?
> >>
> >> My two (or four) cents,
> >> Jewel
> >>
> >> On 8/25/10, Sherrill O'Brien <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This insistence on having a pit bull is disturbing.  This sounds
> like an
> >>> emotional support dog to me.  Aside from making this guy feel secure
> >>> wherever he is, is it mitigating a physical disability?  We don't
> have
> >>> enough information here to know for sure.
> >>>
> >>> Sherrill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> >>> Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:56 AM
> >>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Pit Bulls could once again live in cities with bans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pit bulls could once again live in cities with bans
> >>> written by: Jeffrey Wolf Kevin Torres
> >>> 9News.com
> >>> http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149806
> >>> <http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149806&provider=t
> >>> op&catid=188> &provider=top&catid=188
> >>> DENVER, COLORADO  - Glenn Belcher and his dog Sky enjoy walking
> >>> and playing in Cheesman Park, but Walker couldn't get his dog
> >>> there without a fight.
> >>>
> >>> He filed an injunction and a lawsuit with the city, letting him
> >>> bring Sky, who is a pit bull, anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> "I'm more responsible of this dog than most parents are with
> >>> their children," Belcher said.
> >>>
> >>> He is a Gulf War veteran and suffers from post traumatic stress
> >>> disorder (PTSD). For the past two years, Sky has served as his
> >>> service dog.
> >>>
> >>> "He's my medication and I have a prescription written for him,"
> >>> Belcher said.
> >>>
> >>> That prescription comes from the Denver VA Hospital. Very soon,
> >>> others with disabilities will also be allowed to have pit bulls
> >>> as service dogs in other cities that have bans like Denver.
> >>>
> >>> "That's the type of dog they've chosen to have and they should
> >>> have every right with their disability to have whatever dog they
> >>> feel is best suited for them," Jennifer Edwards, an attorney with
> >>> the Animal Law Center, said.
> >>>
> >>> Tuesday afternoon, the Denver City Council discussed a ruling
> >>> from the federal government that says they have to allow people
> >>> with disabilities the right to have pit bulls as service dogs if
> >>> they choose.
> >>>
> >>> "I think the consensus is: you have to do something. You can't
> >>> ignore the fact that the Department of Justice has signaled that
> >>> if a person with disabilities claims as their service animal a
> >>> kind of dog you've banned in a municipal ordinance, that you're
> >>> going to have to accommodate that person's wish to have that
> >>> animal as a service animal," David Broadwell, an assistant city
> >>> attorney, said.
> >>>
> >>> The city says it could be difficult to manage.
> >>>
> >>> "Clearly there has to be an observed linkage between the person's
> >>> disability and the service being provided by the dog. It will
> >>> either be evident or it won't," Broadwell said.
> >>>
> >>> The Denver City Council will discuss the issue again next week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (KUSA-TV C 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
> >>>
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> >>>  attherally wrote:
> >>> I love my pit bull!!
> >>> 8/25/2010 5:34 AM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  denvertouch wrote:
> >>> Simply Pathetic. I would a PITBULL with newborn children over
> >>> nearly every other breed of dog. PEOPLE have TRAINED these
> >>> animals to be killing machines....they were not created that way.
> >>> 8/25/2010 5:06 AM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (3)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  Taurus2 wrote:
> >>> I'll be they make great service dogs. Pit bulls are extremely
> >>> loyal,happy and friendly dogs. It's the idiots who raise them to
> >>> be otherwise that are to blame for any viciouseness they display.
> >>> 8/25/2010 4:06 AM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (3)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  DCrook wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Right turn, Clyde!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 8/25/2010 1:16 AM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  kingofkings80011 wrote:
> >>> You know what.... I have a two year old Blue nose Pitbull and Lab
> >>> mix and I live in Aurora Colorado. My dog never once bit anybody
> >>> nor displays any angry behavior. I know people say it's the
> >>> owners who torment these dogs to make them killing machines,
> >>> which is true in most younger owners(meaning gang bangers), but
> >>> there's people like my father that says just because there a
> >>> Pitbull he is gonna kill someone! There are people in power that
> >>> thinks like my father and says to just get rid of them because
> >>> they all have a bad name because people wants to have a weapon
> >>> killing machine! I say re-do the ban on all dogs, and if anyone
> >>> comes across "any type" of dog to call animal control and have
> >>> them removed. I hope they really do left the ban for all people
> >>> to have pitbulls again in cities. I mean they made pot legal, why
> >>> not this!
> >>> 8/24/2010 11:46 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (2)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  strkssd wrote:
> >>> i love this story. Someone standing up for the pit bulls, and
> >>> showing what good they can do if trained properly. I love it!
> >>> 8/24/2010 11:08 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (4)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  thejeepuwant wrote:
> >>> omgomgomg~wtfwtfwtf :D
> >>> 8/24/2010 10:54 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (4)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  omgomgomg wrote:
> >>> So then, what ARE the statistics for monkey driven tank attacks?
> >>> I guess I was hasty in saying that they were less likely to
> >>> happen.
> >>> 8/24/2010 10:37 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  BrutalMaster wrote:
> >>> mmmmmm
> >>> 8/24/2010 10:33 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend (1)   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>  topscratch wrote:
> >>> To omgomgomg and bizzman662;
> >>>
> >>> You both are very funny. Ridiculous, but funny. The Justice
> >>> Department actually addressed monkey's and wildlife in the
> >>> decision.
> >>> http://network.bestfriends.org/campaigns/pitbulls/pages/americans
> >>> -with-disabilities-act-title-ii.aspx
> >>>
> >>> I guess tanks might generally be safer, but that also depends on
> >>> when you started counting fatalities related to them. Certainly,
> >>> less people have died as a result of tank attacks in Denver, but
> >>> worldwide, perhaps you should talk to a veteran of our military.
> >>> Particularly if you are going to insult their intelligence.
> >>> 8/24/2010 10:28 PM PDT on 9news.com
> >>> Recommend   Permalink
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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