[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: a couple questions

Mon Dec 6 19:21:08 UTC 2010

Jordan I'm confused. What would the school of orgin do in solving this
problem? If a dog won't work, you can't make them. You can rule out
health concerns, but you can't make a dog work, just as you can't make a
personw ork. 
Can you explain further? 
And, did you have two dogs that wouldn't work or just one? I'm confused.

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Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

The dog would refuse to work no matter what I did.  It was a bit worse
with my first dog,
Jordan

"Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:

>Jordan,
>
>What sorts of dog issues are you talking about?
>
>Julie
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
>To: ""NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>" 
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>Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
>> Let me point out that I had similar issues with my current dog that I
>had 
>> with my first dog.  GDB fixed them, and I seriously doubt that TSE
>would 
>> have done much iif anything at all.
>> Jordan
>>
>> "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jordan: I am sorry for your experiences with The Seeign Eye. If I can
>>>say so, you are one of the very few people that I've heard that has
>>>had any complaints about them. Sure there were those that might have
>>>complained during class about an instructor or how things were being
>>>run, but you're one of the few graduates I've heard complain about
>>>them. For those thinking about Seeing Eye, let me again point out
>that
>>>Jordan is an individual who has had bad experiences with Seeing Eye.
>>>Not to diminish his experiences. I have had nothing but good things
>to
>>>say about the school as others have. They have been attentive, have
>>>called me when a trainer was in my area, and have done their best to
>>>customize my training to meet my individual needs. Even going to a
>>>farm to let my dog see horses, when I was doing active horseback
>>>riding. I'm told that this was a first for them, or at least going to
>>>this particular farm was. Anyway, I may not agree with everything
>they
>>>do, just as I dont' agree with everything that the NFB does, but
>>>Seeing Eye have been doing it longer than anyone else in the U.S. and
>>>they've gotten quite good at it over the last 80 some odd years. I
>>>know that they're always there and that I can always call them if I
>>>have an issue. I like the way they do business by not calling me all
>>>the time or not constantly requesting medical updates on my dog, as
>>>I've heard some schools do. Seeing Eye may not be perfect in
>>>everything they do, but they treat their graduates as individuals and
>>>adults. AS someone else said, you have to tell them about an issue
>>>before they will come out. However, if they didn't come out right
>>>away, then that's when self advocacy, calling the school repeatedly
>>>until the issue is resolved, and perhaps even checking on lissts like
>>>this come in handy.
>>>
>>>Just my humble thoughts,
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>On 12/6/10, Jordan Gallacher <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> TSE never did that with me, and there are two trainers that would
>be
>>>able or
>>>> have been in my area.    Also, the only thing I got out of them
>when
>>>I
>>>> called them about issues was pretty much that can't be happening
>>>don't call
>>>> us.
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>> Of Nimer Jaber
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:07 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>
>>>> Jordan,
>>>>
>>>> Without starting a big debate, I just want to take the time to
>defend
>>>> TSE a little bit:
>>>> They have provided me with very timely support every time I
>requested
>>>> it. I do have to call them to let them know that I'm having a
>>>problem,
>>>> so they don't somehow guess that you might have a problem. Also,
>they
>>>> make calls to graduates when they've got a trainer out in the field
>>>near
>>>> me, just to make sure that I am doing OK and to make sure that I
>>>don't
>>>> require anything. In fact, I think that the support grads receive
>was
>>>> one of the biggest things I looked at when choosing a school and
>>>> everyone I've talked to has ranked them very high in this area.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I know people are busy with their lives, and TSE seems to
>>>> recognize this as well, which is why I think they're allowing grads
>>>who
>>>> have been there before to complete training in a shorter period of
>>>time,
>>>> and even complete a home training that takes place over two weeks
>or
>>>so.
>>>> I felt that a day or two could have been cut out of their program,
>>>like
>>>> the days spent walking around a path twice a day, the same path for
>>>> three days or so at the beginning of class, although I do recognize
>>>that
>>>> many need more time to get comfortable walking with their dogs
>before
>>>> freelance begins. But TSE tries their best to individualize
>classes,
>>>or
>>>> at least in the class I was in with our class leader and the
>>>instructor
>>>> I was with especially. I got a lot of work on campuses, in large
>city
>>>> environments such as New York, in shopping malls and hospitals, and
>>>even
>>>> at the air port. I'm sorry that you did not receive the instruction
>>>you
>>>> were hoping you would receive, and instead of giving up on the
>school
>>>I
>>>> probably would've worked with them to improve their program, or at
>>>least
>>>> give them some things that may make the program better with the
>>>> evaluations at the end of the program.
>>>>
>>>> Note: I am not an employee of TSE, and my only affiliation with
>them
>>>is
>>>> being a proud Seeing Eye dog handler. So I don't want anyone to
>think
>>>> that by this email and any others that I am doing this because I
>was
>>>> requested to do so by the school.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Nimer J
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2010 11:53 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>>>> I personally would not go to The Seeing Eye.  There is virtually
>no
>>>> support
>>>>> after you leave with your dog.  I retired my first dog because of
>>>the
>>>>> problems I was having, which became pretty serious, and I went to
>>>GDB.
>>>> GDB
>>>>> is a much better school than TSE.  Support is much better after
>>>leaving
>>>> with
>>>>> your dog, and the classes are only two or three weeks depending on
>>>which
>>>>> campus you end up going to.  The training is not much different,
>but
>>>at
>>>> GDB
>>>>> you have more opportunity to work in areas that you are in the
>most.
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
>>>Behalf
>>>>> Of Terra Syslo
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:44 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools,
>and
>>>I
>>>> think
>>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can
>anyone
>>>give
>>>> me
>>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the
>>>Blind?
>>>> I'm
>>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>>
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