[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: a couple questions

Mon Dec 6 19:58:20 UTC 2010

My first dog was from TSE.  The dog quit working after he ran into a car a
few months after I got him.  What makes me so annoyed at TSE is that he
about ran into a passing bus while training with him and noone gave a hint
of concern about it.  I retired him in 09 since TSE was leaving me on my own
for the most part to figure it out and by that point there were other
issues.  My current dog is from GDB.  She was working properly until the end
of August and she decided that she wasn't going to work.  Well, by the third
week in September, they had an instructor out and we got the problem
resolved.  GDB did a much better job than TSE with the way they handled
things.  I was always arguing with TSE about the problems I was having.  
Jording
Going to have to slap System Access for it not talking again

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:21 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: a couple questions

Jordan I'm confused. What would the school of orgin do in solving this
problem? If a dog won't work, you can't make them. You can rule out
health concerns, but you can't make a dog work, just as you can't make a
personw ork. 
Can you explain further? 
And, did you have two dogs that wouldn't work or just one? I'm confused.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:14 PM
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Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

The dog would refuse to work no matter what I did.  It was a bit worse
with my first dog,
Jordan

"Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:

>Jordan,
>
>What sorts of dog issues are you talking about?
>
>Julie
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
>To: ""NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>" 
><=?US-ASCII?Q?=22NAGDU_Mailing_List=2C=09the_National_Associa?= 
>=?US-ASCII?Q?tion_of_Guide_Dog_Users=22_=3Cnagdu=40nfbnet=2Eorg=3E?=>
>Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
>> Let me point out that I had similar issues with my current dog that I
>had 
>> with my first dog.  GDB fixed them, and I seriously doubt that TSE
>would 
>> have done much iif anything at all.
>> Jordan
>>
>> "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jordan: I am sorry for your experiences with The Seeign Eye. If I can
>>>say so, you are one of the very few people that I've heard that has
>>>had any complaints about them. Sure there were those that might have
>>>complained during class about an instructor or how things were being
>>>run, but you're one of the few graduates I've heard complain about
>>>them. For those thinking about Seeing Eye, let me again point out
>that
>>>Jordan is an individual who has had bad experiences with Seeing Eye.
>>>Not to diminish his experiences. I have had nothing but good things
>to
>>>say about the school as others have. They have been attentive, have
>>>called me when a trainer was in my area, and have done their best to
>>>customize my training to meet my individual needs. Even going to a
>>>farm to let my dog see horses, when I was doing active horseback
>>>riding. I'm told that this was a first for them, or at least going to
>>>this particular farm was. Anyway, I may not agree with everything
>they
>>>do, just as I dont' agree with everything that the NFB does, but
>>>Seeing Eye have been doing it longer than anyone else in the U.S. and
>>>they've gotten quite good at it over the last 80 some odd years. I
>>>know that they're always there and that I can always call them if I
>>>have an issue. I like the way they do business by not calling me all
>>>the time or not constantly requesting medical updates on my dog, as
>>>I've heard some schools do. Seeing Eye may not be perfect in
>>>everything they do, but they treat their graduates as individuals and
>>>adults. AS someone else said, you have to tell them about an issue
>>>before they will come out. However, if they didn't come out right
>>>away, then that's when self advocacy, calling the school repeatedly
>>>until the issue is resolved, and perhaps even checking on lissts like
>>>this come in handy.
>>>
>>>Just my humble thoughts,
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>On 12/6/10, Jordan Gallacher <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> TSE never did that with me, and there are two trainers that would
>be
>>>able or
>>>> have been in my area.    Also, the only thing I got out of them
>when
>>>I
>>>> called them about issues was pretty much that can't be happening
>>>don't call
>>>> us.
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>> Of Nimer Jaber
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:07 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>
>>>> Jordan,
>>>>
>>>> Without starting a big debate, I just want to take the time to
>defend
>>>> TSE a little bit:
>>>> They have provided me with very timely support every time I
>requested
>>>> it. I do have to call them to let them know that I'm having a
>>>problem,
>>>> so they don't somehow guess that you might have a problem. Also,
>they
>>>> make calls to graduates when they've got a trainer out in the field
>>>near
>>>> me, just to make sure that I am doing OK and to make sure that I
>>>don't
>>>> require anything. In fact, I think that the support grads receive
>was
>>>> one of the biggest things I looked at when choosing a school and
>>>> everyone I've talked to has ranked them very high in this area.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I know people are busy with their lives, and TSE seems to
>>>> recognize this as well, which is why I think they're allowing grads
>>>who
>>>> have been there before to complete training in a shorter period of
>>>time,
>>>> and even complete a home training that takes place over two weeks
>or
>>>so.
>>>> I felt that a day or two could have been cut out of their program,
>>>like
>>>> the days spent walking around a path twice a day, the same path for
>>>> three days or so at the beginning of class, although I do recognize
>>>that
>>>> many need more time to get comfortable walking with their dogs
>before
>>>> freelance begins. But TSE tries their best to individualize
>classes,
>>>or
>>>> at least in the class I was in with our class leader and the
>>>instructor
>>>> I was with especially. I got a lot of work on campuses, in large
>city
>>>> environments such as New York, in shopping malls and hospitals, and
>>>even
>>>> at the air port. I'm sorry that you did not receive the instruction
>>>you
>>>> were hoping you would receive, and instead of giving up on the
>school
>>>I
>>>> probably would've worked with them to improve their program, or at
>>>least
>>>> give them some things that may make the program better with the
>>>> evaluations at the end of the program.
>>>>
>>>> Note: I am not an employee of TSE, and my only affiliation with
>them
>>>is
>>>> being a proud Seeing Eye dog handler. So I don't want anyone to
>think
>>>> that by this email and any others that I am doing this because I
>was
>>>> requested to do so by the school.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Nimer J
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2010 11:53 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>>>> I personally would not go to The Seeing Eye.  There is virtually
>no
>>>> support
>>>>> after you leave with your dog.  I retired my first dog because of
>>>the
>>>>> problems I was having, which became pretty serious, and I went to
>>>GDB.
>>>> GDB
>>>>> is a much better school than TSE.  Support is much better after
>>>leaving
>>>> with
>>>>> your dog, and the classes are only two or three weeks depending on
>>>which
>>>>> campus you end up going to.  The training is not much different,
>but
>>>at
>>>> GDB
>>>>> you have more opportunity to work in areas that you are in the
>most.
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
>>>Behalf
>>>>> Of Terra Syslo
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:44 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools,
>and
>>>I
>>>> think
>>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can
>anyone
>>>give
>>>> me
>>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the
>>>Blind?
>>>> I'm
>>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>>
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