[nagdu] a couple questions

Mon Dec 6 19:54:13 UTC 2010

Yeah, but since they can't use the imaging machine, and since the truly 
invasive pat downs take place only when they seem to think they have reason, 
there shouldn't be an issue. I was only thinking that maybe there would be 
slightly less of an issue because those folks are well known at Newark's 
airport. Could be wishful thinking? <Giggle>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

Brenda,

I don't think having the Seeing Eye instructor help you to your gate is
going to effect your security requirements.  The TSA is going to do what the
TSA is going to do.  I can see how having an TSE instructor there could help
you advocate for correct security procedures.  However since the pat downs
are within normal parameters the instructor isn't going to be able to get
you out of it if that is what the TSA decides needs to happen.

Sorry,
Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

> So if I choose Seeing Eye I donn't have to worry about a patdown because I
> will have an escort to security, but if I choose GDB I run the risk.  I'm
> sure the Seeing Eye teams can navigate just fine, but it is especially
> nice to know you get a little extra help on the way home.  Even when I was
> sighted I didn't like traveling in airports alone.
>
> Hey Melissa, how does your roomate like her Leader Dog and her experience
> in training?
>
>
> On 12/6/2010 12:40 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:14 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>> You probably won't be going through a body scan or invasive pat down if
>> you
>> make sure you are not wearing or carrying metal on you. When you go home,
>> at
>>
>> least from TSE, the instructors get a pass through the security and
>> accompany you to the gate. They aren't allowed to walk on the plane with
>> you
>>
>> anymore though, but how lost can you get, even with a new dog, walking
>> down
>> a jetway?By the time you leave GDB, you don't have the instructor going
>> to
>> the gate with you, but at an unfamiliar airport, I ask for assistance
>> anyway.  The instructors at GDB really put a huge emphasis on getting the
>> dog to do what you want, and even on routes, they pretty quickly will
>> follow
>> you byt not say much except if the dog does something and you didn't
>> catch
>> it or if you are in immediate danger.  By the time you are in the airport
>> heading home, you will have all the skills you need from GDB to navigate
>> an
>> airport with or without assistance by someone.
>> Jordan
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brenda"<bjnite at windstream.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>>
>> Interesting about your horror stories about people who know people and
>> down the line about Leader.  My friend won't go anywhere else.  I have
>> had two direct stories about people who didn't feel they got help after
>> graduation from Seeing Eye, however, both would recommend Seeing Eye.
>> Seems like in both cases there are more to the stories than at first
>> glance.  I'm hoping the poster that has had several Leader dogs will
>> post some information about the school.   I am looking for information
>> like Shannon posted and also Cindy has provided some very good points to
>> think about.
>>
>> Here is one point I am considering - If I have to fly I could well have
>> to endure a body scan on the way home.  Hard as I might try not to set
>> off a metal detector, I might just be the random lucky winner of a full
>> body pat down (grope) as people with service dogs are not allowed to go
>> through the full body scan machines, and I am not up to that so I will
>> have to consider schools I can reach by bus or possibly train.  I really
>> like GDB's shorter program though (and that would be one long train
>> ride).
>>
>> True this post has brought out some negative comments, but I am really
>> learning a lot about the topic of choosing a guide dog school.  They say
>> this choice is as important as choosing a college, so I hope the thread
>> continues for a while.
>> Brenda
>> On 12/6/2010 9:46 AM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>> I've heard quite a few horror stories from people who have or people who
>>> know people who have gotten their dogs from Leader dogs.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Brenda
>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:15 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>> Hi Terra
>>> I'm glad you asked this question.  I'm looking at Leader and GDB.  I
>>> have a friend who has gotten all her dogs (3 or 4 over the years) from
>>> Leader and is very pleased.  I will be taking their Accelerated Mobility
>>> course in 2011 so will get some exposure to the school.  I know there is
>>> a poster to this list who has been pleased with his experience with
>>> Leader Dogs (also 3 I think over time).
>>>
>>> I look forward to reading more replies to your question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2010 12:44 AM, Terra Syslo wrote:
>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools, and I
>>> think
>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can anyone
>>>> give
>>> me
>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the Blind?
>>> I'm
>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>
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