[nagdu] dogs and ear popping and Re: a couple questions

Mon Dec 6 23:39:12 UTC 2010

You will need to do things the same way the rest of us do things since the
TSA has their policy about that.  
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brenda
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] dogs and ear popping and Re: a couple questions

Well, maybe the TSEperson could hold the dog while I went through the 
body scan.  Oh well, I have time.  Maybe by the time I make a decision 
the situation at the airport will be better.

One other concern, what about the poor dog's ears on the plane.  I have 
to chew gum on take-off and landing.  How do dogs handle this without 
discomfort?
Brenda

On 12/6/2010 2:50 PM, Julie J wrote:
> Brenda,
>
> I don't think having the Seeing Eye instructor help you to your gate 
> is going to effect your security requirements.  The TSA is going to do 
> what the TSA is going to do.  I can see how having an TSE instructor 
> there could help you advocate for correct security procedures.  
> However since the pat downs are within normal parameters the 
> instructor isn't going to be able to get you out of it if that is what 
> the TSA decides needs to happen.
>
> Sorry,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
>> So if I choose Seeing Eye I donn't have to worry about a patdown 
>> because I will have an escort to security, but if I choose GDB I run 
>> the risk.  I'm sure the Seeing Eye teams can navigate just fine, but 
>> it is especially nice to know you get a little extra help on the way 
>> home.  Even when I was sighted I didn't like traveling in airports 
>> alone.
>>
>> Hey Melissa, how does your roomate like her Leader Dog and her 
>> experience in training?
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2010 12:40 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>> You probably won't be going through a body scan or invasive pat down 
>>> if you
>>> make sure you are not wearing or carrying metal on you. When you go 
>>> home, at
>>>
>>> least from TSE, the instructors get a pass through the security and
>>> accompany you to the gate. They aren't allowed to walk on the plane 
>>> with you
>>>
>>> anymore though, but how lost can you get, even with a new dog, 
>>> walking down
>>> a jetway?By the time you leave GDB, you don't have the instructor 
>>> going to
>>> the gate with you, but at an unfamiliar airport, I ask for assistance
>>> anyway.  The instructors at GDB really put a huge emphasis on 
>>> getting the
>>> dog to do what you want, and even on routes, they pretty quickly 
>>> will follow
>>> you byt not say much except if the dog does something and you didn't 
>>> catch
>>> it or if you are in immediate danger.  By the time you are in the 
>>> airport
>>> heading home, you will have all the skills you need from GDB to 
>>> navigate an
>>> airport with or without assistance by someone.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brenda"<bjnite at windstream.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting about your horror stories about people who know people and
>>> down the line about Leader.  My friend won't go anywhere else.  I have
>>> had two direct stories about people who didn't feel they got help after
>>> graduation from Seeing Eye, however, both would recommend Seeing Eye.
>>> Seems like in both cases there are more to the stories than at first
>>> glance.  I'm hoping the poster that has had several Leader dogs will
>>> post some information about the school.   I am looking for information
>>> like Shannon posted and also Cindy has provided some very good 
>>> points to
>>> think about.
>>>
>>> Here is one point I am considering - If I have to fly I could well have
>>> to endure a body scan on the way home.  Hard as I might try not to set
>>> off a metal detector, I might just be the random lucky winner of a full
>>> body pat down (grope) as people with service dogs are not allowed to go
>>> through the full body scan machines, and I am not up to that so I will
>>> have to consider schools I can reach by bus or possibly train.  I 
>>> really
>>> like GDB's shorter program though (and that would be one long train 
>>> ride).
>>>
>>> True this post has brought out some negative comments, but I am really
>>> learning a lot about the topic of choosing a guide dog school.  They 
>>> say
>>> this choice is as important as choosing a college, so I hope the thread
>>> continues for a while.
>>> Brenda
>>> On 12/6/2010 9:46 AM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>>> I've heard quite a few horror stories from people who have or 
>>>> people who
>>>> know people who have gotten their dogs from Leader dogs.
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Brenda
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 7:15 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Terra
>>>> I'm glad you asked this question.  I'm looking at Leader and GDB.  I
>>>> have a friend who has gotten all her dogs (3 or 4 over the years) from
>>>> Leader and is very pleased.  I will be taking their Accelerated 
>>>> Mobility
>>>> course in 2011 so will get some exposure to the school.  I know 
>>>> there is
>>>> a poster to this list who has been pleased with his experience with
>>>> Leader Dogs (also 3 I think over time).
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to reading more replies to your question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/2010 12:44 AM, Terra Syslo wrote:
>>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools, and I
>>>> think
>>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can 
>>>>> anyone give
>>>> me
>>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the 
>>>>> Blind?
>>>> I'm
>>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>>
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