[nagdu] a couple questions

Wed Dec 8 21:18:36 UTC 2010

I no doubt will jump further into this discussion at some future point.

For now though, I've had a couple of dogs over the 35 year period who 
required more leash correcting than I would like.  Simple solution, use a 
pinch collar. this means of course that you need to back way way off on the 
firmness of the correction but the results are amazing.  Most folks are two 
stupid to observe the kind of collar being used.  And that even goes for the 
peta pack (people eating tasty animals.)  The funniest part for me is, that 
the two dogs on who I haved used this device actually got quite bouncy and 
yhappy when I felt the need to bring it out.  Were I to estimate the time 
period of using this tool over the time period, being generous, it might 
total a couple of months over 35 years; not bad I think.

What the hey, might as well say the rest of what is on my mind.  I can 
certainly define a good dog handler, with no apologies to anyone, using the 
following criteria:

1.  Does the animal behave in the situations required by the life style of 
the team in a manner which is non-intrusive to others--no growling, barking, 
invasion of accepted personal space of others.  By the way that includes a 
dog that doesn't stink, and doesn't leave mountains of dog hair in my car, 
house, or any public place I frequent.

2.  Is the dog under control of the owner at all times?  Guess that really 
relates to number one.

Oh, by the way, if anyone ever encouraged any dog of mine to drink out of 
the toilet, they may not walk for at least a week.

Doug: and you thought Thor carried a heavy hammer?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

> Well, let me say something on this issue. I have been told I ought to b
> beaten like I was beating my dog when I was doing  leash correction. I try
> to be careful that I don't lean down because it can look different from 
> what
> it is, but I also know there are those who believethat you are cruel to a
> dog if you are using it as a guide, another sort of service animal, if you
> are crating it, whatever, so one really has to be careful about making 
> rash
> judgments no matter what that person has seen, heard, learned, etc.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
> Frontline has that problem for some reason.  My first dog, I had two
> different flea medications I had to use because of how bad things were.  I
> have no problems with what you are doing, but when it comes to animals, 
> I've
> seen quite a bit, and have heard quite a bit being that my aunt used to do
> rescue work. She now works for a vet.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
> Jordan, but the phrase "taken care of" is a very subjective one.
> The ASPCA may define caring for a dog as giving it food, clean water,
> and shelter.
> So if I buy a dog house, stick it out in the yard, give the dog water
> and buy it ole roy or another no name kibble, it is considered to be
> "taken care of."
> I feed my dogs a prey model raw diet; vaccinate my dogs on a lower
> vaccine schedule except for those required by law, and let her run off
> leash in un-fenced areas when appropriate.
> Some people would classify this as "not taking care of my dog."
> It's all subjective.
> Like you, I live in Louisiana and my dog has gotten fleas about two
> years ago.  I use flea preventive monthly, but the Frontline stopped
> working.  Does this mean that I don't take care of my dog because
> she's gotten fleas before?
>
> There are many assistance dog users who don't do things the way I
> would do them.  One of the reasons I do not attend a program for my
> dog is because I want a dog who is fed a different diet and given a
> different vaccine schedule and who is clicker trained from the ground
> up.
> Just because people and programs do things differently than I do
> doesn't make them bad, or not worthy, or unfit.  People are different.
> I would wager that if people were honest, many people on this list
> would admit that their dog has had fleas, or heart-worms, or some
> other disease.
> The truth is that poop happens.  Accidents happens, life gets in the
> way and we may not give the flea/heart worm preventive on the exact day.
> I'll admit that this has happened to me before.
> I guess I'm trying to say that blanket statements are rarely
> constructive and are rarely accurate.
>
> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds:
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
> not sure about the universe."-Albert Einstein
> http://www.pawpowercreations.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: Brissysgirl
>
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