[nagdu] a couple questions

Thu Dec 9 17:54:00 UTC 2010

Kimmey, you're welcome any time. and no, I didn't forget safety; guess I 
took that one for granted, kinda like "one man's ceiling is another man's 
floor.)

Doug:
Six legs on the road and we're gonna make it home tonight.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

> Doug,
>
> Your principles sum it up very well.  I've come to more or less the same
> conclusions about what is important, what I want me and my dog to be as a
> team.
>
> The only other thing I include is safety.  Is she safe with me as a 
> handler?
> Am I safe with her as a guide?  Are others safe around us?
>
> I'll try real hard not to convince your dog to drink out of the toilet.
> That really spoils my holiday plans, though!  I hear Mannitoba is lovely
> this time of year, and I was thinking of coming up for a visit to do just
> that!  /grin/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Doug Parisian
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
> I no doubt will jump further into this discussion at some future point.
>
> For now though, I've had a couple of dogs over the 35 year period who
> required more leash correcting than I would like.  Simple solution, use a
> pinch collar. this means of course that you need to back way way off on 
> the
> firmness of the correction but the results are amazing.  Most folks are 
> two
> stupid to observe the kind of collar being used.  And that even goes for 
> the
>
> peta pack (people eating tasty animals.)  The funniest part for me is, 
> that
> the two dogs on who I haved used this device actually got quite bouncy and
> yhappy when I felt the need to bring it out.  Were I to estimate the time
> period of using this tool over the time period, being generous, it might
> total a couple of months over 35 years; not bad I think.
>
> What the hey, might as well say the rest of what is on my mind.  I can
> certainly define a good dog handler, with no apologies to anyone, using 
> the
> following criteria:
>
> 1.  Does the animal behave in the situations required by the life style of
> the team in a manner which is non-intrusive to others--no growling, 
> barking,
>
> invasion of accepted personal space of others.  By the way that includes a
> dog that doesn't stink, and doesn't leave mountains of dog hair in my car,
> house, or any public place I frequent.
>
> 2.  Is the dog under control of the owner at all times?  Guess that really
> relates to number one.
>
> Oh, by the way, if anyone ever encouraged any dog of mine to drink out of
> the toilet, they may not walk for at least a week.
>
> Doug: and you thought Thor carried a heavy hammer?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
>> Well, let me say something on this issue. I have been told I ought to b
>> beaten like I was beating my dog when I was doing  leash correction. I 
>> try
>> to be careful that I don't lean down because it can look different from
>> what
>> it is, but I also know there are those who believethat you are cruel to a
>> dog if you are using it as a guide, another sort of service animal, if 
>> you
>> are crating it, whatever, so one really has to be careful about making
>> rash
>> judgments no matter what that person has seen, heard, learned, etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>>
>> Frontline has that problem for some reason.  My first dog, I had two
>> different flea medications I had to use because of how bad things were. 
>> I
>> have no problems with what you are doing, but when it comes to animals,
>> I've
>> seen quite a bit, and have heard quite a bit being that my aunt used to 
>> do
>> rescue work. She now works for a vet.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of The Pawpower Pack
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>> Jordan, but the phrase "taken care of" is a very subjective one.
>> The ASPCA may define caring for a dog as giving it food, clean water,
>> and shelter.
>> So if I buy a dog house, stick it out in the yard, give the dog water
>> and buy it ole roy or another no name kibble, it is considered to be
>> "taken care of."
>> I feed my dogs a prey model raw diet; vaccinate my dogs on a lower
>> vaccine schedule except for those required by law, and let her run off
>> leash in un-fenced areas when appropriate.
>> Some people would classify this as "not taking care of my dog."
>> It's all subjective.
>> Like you, I live in Louisiana and my dog has gotten fleas about two
>> years ago.  I use flea preventive monthly, but the Frontline stopped
>> working.  Does this mean that I don't take care of my dog because
>> she's gotten fleas before?
>>
>> There are many assistance dog users who don't do things the way I
>> would do them.  One of the reasons I do not attend a program for my
>> dog is because I want a dog who is fed a different diet and given a
>> different vaccine schedule and who is clicker trained from the ground
>> up.
>> Just because people and programs do things differently than I do
>> doesn't make them bad, or not worthy, or unfit.  People are different.
>> I would wager that if people were honest, many people on this list
>> would admit that their dog has had fleas, or heart-worms, or some
>> other disease.
>> The truth is that poop happens.  Accidents happens, life gets in the
>> way and we may not give the flea/heart worm preventive on the exact day.
>> I'll admit that this has happened to me before.
>> I guess I'm trying to say that blanket statements are rarely
>> constructive and are rarely accurate.
>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds:
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
>> not sure about the universe."-Albert Einstein
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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