[nagdu] questions I get from my bus driver that isnotanaccessible bus just regular bus

Fri Dec 10 15:00:06 UTC 2010

Wrong about that.  If a business doesn't take appropriate measures and the
pet remains in the business, then the business is accountable, of course
this only works if things change to where you have to be able to identify
that the dog is indeed a service animal.  Problem is that the majority of
businesses don't ask.
Jordan

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] questions I get from my bus driver that
isnotanaccessible bus just regular bus

Jordan, If my dog becomes distracted and I get hurt, it's not anyone's falt
but mine for not training the dog to ignore distractions. If a program did
the training and I didn't keep that training up it would still be my falt.
If it can be proved that the program wasn't thorough enough in their
training, then perhaps it could be their falt.  But if someone brings a pet
dog into public it is reasonable for my dog to keep working.  She may
require some redirection from me but that should be all. 

Rox 
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On 10 Dec 2010, at 08:35 AM, "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No, no, no.  If it is a pet, and it is being passed off as a service
animal,
> then there needs to be evidence of such use.  If it is a pet, and the
> business doesn't make it leave, and a person who has a legit service
animal
> gets injured in the business because his dog gets distracted, guess who is
> liable.
> Jordan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:31 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] questions I get from my bus driver that isnot
> anaccessible bus just regular bus
> 
> Jenine,
>    As it was stated by a DOJ Senior Trial Attorney during one of my many 
> discussions concerning this that helped me better understand this issue 
> while I was grappling with it, "If someone gains access with a pet that
they
> 
> are claiming to be a service animal and it is well behaved and causes no 
> threat to the health or safety of others, what harm has been done? On the 
> other hand, even a legitimate service animal that is a threat or is 
> disruptive can be removed!"
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] questions I get from my bus driver that is not 
> anaccessible bus just regular bus
> 
> 
>> Cheryl,
>> 
>> All the bus driver can ask are the two questions specified by the DOJ.
>> 
>> Is that a service animal to assist with your disability?
>> What tasks does that animal perform?
>> 
>> 
>> If the dog is disruptive and has a history of being so on buses, then it 
>> can
>> be banned from the buses all together. The person cannot be banned but
the
>> dog can, so if she leaves the dog at home, she can still ride.
>> 
>> If a dog gets on the bus with someone and that person says it's a service
>> animal and the dog doesn't bother anyone, then there's nothing to be
done.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>> Of cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 5:38 PM
>> To: nagdu
>> Subject: [nagdu] questions I get from my bus driver that is not an
>> accessible bus just regular bus
>> 
>> As many of you know I live out in Long Island, NY not to far from GDF.
>> 
>> And there has been a person, who swears that there dog is a guide dog,
>> meaning a pit bull.
>> 
>> I don't know if Jeanine knows about this issue.  But here on Long Island,

>> I
>> believe every year the Suffolk County Bus Company for there drivers that 
>> is
>> called sensitivity training.
>> 
>> I wish they would allow me to come as well as being part of NAGDU, and 
>> have
>> a representative from GDF as well as the other service animal schools in 
>> the
>> area.
>> 
>> One day, I was a passenger on the bus when this person tried to pass off
>> there dog as a service animal, again this dog is a pit bull.
>> 
>> I was sitting there and the driver said that we are stopping and the 
>> person
>> has a dog and has tried to get on the bus before the driver side to me, 
>> they
>> don't carry a card with them, but they carry the print out of the ADA law
>> with them.
>> 
>> I will tell you what happened, and then I will put what the driver's
>> question is.
>> 
>> First when the driver stopped and the woman tried to get on the bus, now
>> mind you I sit in the front because I like to talk to my driver as well.
>> Nice guy, many years he has been the driver, anyway she tries to get on 
>> but
>> her dog starts to growl and bark at my dog.  Maxx moved closer to me not
>> wanting anything to do with this dog.
>> 
>> I asked her what type of dog is that, she said a pit bull, no I said 
>> meaning
>> what kind of service animal is it.  She said he was just a service animal
>> and that she has the paperwork to prove it. I said what job does the dog 
>> do
>> for you, I didn't say what disability she has.  She said he is her
comfort
>> animal.  I said 1, Comfort animals are not considered Service Animals and
>> fall under the ADA. 2. In the State of NY, especially Suffolk County NY, 
>> and
>> some other parts of NY to even have a pit bull, and that I am blind and a
>> graduate of GDF I said which school, and I pulled out my ID from GDF, I
do
>> not need to carry paperwork around with me and never should she. From my
>> searching I have found that especially in the state of NY there is no
>> service animal training schools that train pit bulls. I asked her where 
>> she
>> got her dog, she said NY.
>> 
>> The driver asked her to please leave if she could not control her dog.
>> 
>> A few months later she tried to get on another bus and the driver let her
>> on.
>> 
>> The driver and I spoke the other day since I had to go somewhere, that
she
>> tried to get on again on his bus, and he said he wouldn't allow the dog
on
>> the bus.
>> 
>> The driver wants to know how far are they allowed to go to stop this.
>> 
>> To many people are trying this in Suffolk County.
>> 
>> Yes we get IDs and I don't know what the big deal is about giving ID, I
>> think that helps a lot, especially in the case that it is not always 
>> obvious
>> to lets say in this situation to tell if someone is disabled and needs a
>> dog, I mean if a person is blind it is not always noticeable, not
everyone
>> uses dark glasses, or has a dog with a harness with the schools name on 
>> it,
>> or a person in a wheelchair, and with more children and adult with 
>> seizures
>> or autism or other disabilities how is one to know.  You can't ask what 
>> the
>> disability you have, you can't force a person to show ID.  What is the
>> answer?
>> 
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>> 
>> Cheryl Echevarria
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>> 1-866-580-5574
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