[nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Fri Dec 17 00:52:12 UTC 2010 

If this was in the mmovie I didn't remember that.
Thanks for sharing.

Original message:
> Well Dar, you can be forgiven for not knowing Seeing Eye history. On 
> the other hand, many of my flelow Seeing Eye graduates apparently 
> don't, either. You see, Buddy's given name wasn't Buddy. Buddy was a 
> dog in the K litter; specifically, a GSD named Kiss. Morris Frank was 
> reported to have said, "Kiss? Kiss?!??!!?!? That's a hell of a name for 
> a dog! From now on, your name is Buddy." And so it was. And so were the 
> next five. Morris gets no points for originality.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



> On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:11 PM, d m gina wrote:

>> Well good,
>> I didn't get the joke either.
>> It is just fine to be a dumb blond, I wear my hair quite well thank you 
>> very much.
>> Giggle.

>> Original message:
>>> Yes ineedy. Funny thing about that, Doug. In my class with Chet (guide 
>>> previous to this one), I said to my class, "Hi, my name is Buddy. But 
>>> really, it's Kiss." And no one got it. Worse yet, a girl asked, "Is 
>>> your name really Kiss, or are you joking?" Sigh.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Parisian wrote:

>>>> Buddy, I believe we're both playing in the same band.  And golly gee, 
>>>> can anyone blame a man who was named after the first Seeing Eye dog 
>>>> (and that was a shepherd too) for being cautious?

>>>> Doug: Shepherd's pie anyone?

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers


>>>>> You're not missing anything I'm not missing, because I basically agree 
>>>>> with you. I'm just saying that this is historically where the no 
>>>>> contact thing comes from. And, like I said, there's a lot of difference 
>>>>> between not encouraging contact and actively blocking it. That the 
>>>>> Seeing Eye is the oldest guide dog school in the world is one of those 
>>>>> good news/bad news things. Good because they have that 80-odd years of 
>>>>> experience. Bad because sometimes they are slow to change. Sometimes 
>>>>> even slow to change is good, because change isn't always great, and 
>>>>> doing the latest thing because it's the latest thing isn't always a 
>>>>> good idea, but at other times, well, not so much.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



>>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) (Internet) wrote:

>>>>>> I'm not sure I really understand Seeing Eye's position.
>>>>>> Why can't or won't they trust everybody to be adults. If a raiser or 
>>>>>> handler has an issue with a type of contact, why can't it be sorted out 
>>>>>> via the legal system or in all the myraid ways unwanted contact is made 
>>>>>> to stop.
>>>>>> It seems like that is only logical given that Seeing Eye places such 
>>>>>> trust in the grads' abilities to manage their dogs.
>>>>>> I'm not sure I'm buying the "But what if" senario. I also don't 
>>>>>> understand why Seeing Eye can't place the same trust in appropriate 
>>>>>> contact and use the same resolution plan for when contact is 
>>>>>> inappropriate it uses for dog issues.
>>>>>> What am I missing?

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:36 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

>>>>>> Oh goody! Another hot button issue! Yay!!!!

>>>>>> I completely understand the reasons for the TSE puppy raiser contact 
>>>>>> policy. I understand the historic significance, and also the other 
>>>>>> reason, i.e. you're raising a dog for the school, not for a specific 
>>>>>> person, doing something for the greater good as it were, a wider cause 
>>>>>> than one specific individual. And that's all fantastic, and I agree 
>>>>>> with the motives and the reasoning. Do I wish that the policy would be 
>>>>>> modified? Certainly; I'd love to have contact with Leon's raisers. Will 
>>>>>> I lose sleep over it that I don't? Not especially. While I understand 
>>>>>> not actively facilitating contact, the practice of editing letters 
>>>>>> between the parties is something I have issues with, even though I 
>>>>>> understand why. I think, basically, it's one thing to not encourage 
>>>>>> contact, but quite another to block it between consenting parties. 
>>>>>> Assuming of course both parties are consenting. It's certainly not as 
>>>>>> easy an issue as we might like to believe.

>>>>>> I had contact with my first dog's raiser, from a school that isn't the 
>>>>>> Seeing Eye. The Ripkens are wonderful people, and we still stay in 
>>>>>> touch some even today, over 13 years later. Many relationships are like 
>>>>>> this. Not all, though; there are cases such as Jenine has mentioned. 
>>>>>> There are others where raisers in one way or another interfere with the 
>>>>>> team. Conversely, I'm aware of cases where handlers inappropriately 
>>>>>> relate to their dog's raisers, some in the ways Jenine has outlined, 
>>>>>> other times inappropriately imposing upon the raiser in some way. So 
>>>>>> it's definitely not always great, either. Does that mean that the 
>>>>>> schools need to chaperone these relationships because some might e 
>>>>>> inappropriate? Again, this isn't nearly so easy and clear cut as some 
>>>>>> would have it.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:

>>>>>>> Although GDF does allow contact with puppy raisers/walker, I do feel the
>>>>>>> need to defend TSE's no-contact policy. It has nothing, absolutely nothing,
>>>>>>> to do with you being an adult. It's about the principle of anonymous giving,
>>>>>>> selfless giving.

>>>>>>> I've been in a workshop where a puppy raiser actually said "I raised these
>>>>>>> dogs. I'm entitled to pet them whenever I want. You people are too mean to
>>>>>>> them, never write back and don't deserve them."

>>>>>>> The man who said this totally embarrassed his family and does not represent
>>>>>>> all puppy raisers/walkers, but his opinion, or variations thereof, are out
>>>>>>> there and make up the wide reasons people do raise puppies.

>>>>>>> Also, not everything your dog does now is a result of things it did as a
>>>>>>> puppy or was illegally allowed to do. I've heard from puppy walkers who were
>>>>>>> crushed when hearing about their dogs' behavior as guides and were berated
>>>>>>> by the handlers for allowing X, Y or Z when they did no such thing.

>>>>>>> I think those who have issue with TSE's puppy contact policy should read in
>>>>>>> the literature exactly why it was established. It screams respect for the
>>>>>>> adult nature of blind people.

>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com



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