[nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

Thu Dec 16 23:16:17 UTC 2010

Well Dar, you can be forgiven for not knowing Seeing Eye history. On the other hand, many of my flelow Seeing Eye graduates apparently don't, either. You see, Buddy's given name wasn't Buddy. Buddy was a dog in the K litter; specifically, a GSD named Kiss. Morris Frank was reported to have said, "Kiss? Kiss?!??!!?!? That's a hell of a name for a dog! From now on, your name is Buddy." And so it was. And so were the next five. Morris gets no points for originality. 
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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:11 PM, d m gina wrote:

> Well good,
> I didn't get the joke either.
> It is just fine to be a dumb blond, I wear my hair quite well thank you very much.
> Giggle.
> 
> Original message:
>> Yes ineedy. Funny thing about that, Doug. In my class with Chet (guide previous to this one), I said to my class, "Hi, my name is Buddy. But really, it's Kiss." And no one got it. Worse yet, a girl asked, "Is your name really Kiss, or are you joking?" Sigh.
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>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
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>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Parisian wrote:
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>>> Buddy, I believe we're both playing in the same band.  And golly gee, can anyone blame a man who was named after the first Seeing Eye dog (and that was a shepherd too) for being cautious?
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>>> Doug: Shepherd's pie anyone?
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers
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>>>> You're not missing anything I'm not missing, because I basically agree with you. I'm just saying that this is historically where the no contact thing comes from. And, like I said, there's a lot of difference between not encouraging contact and actively blocking it. That the Seeing Eye is the oldest guide dog school in the world is one of those good news/bad news things. Good because they have that 80-odd years of experience. Bad because sometimes they are slow to change. Sometimes even slow to change is good, because change isn't always great, and doing the latest thing because it's the latest thing isn't always a good idea, but at other times, well, not so much.
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>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
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>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) (Internet) wrote:
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>>>>> I'm not sure I really understand Seeing Eye's position.
>>>>> Why can't or won't they trust everybody to be adults. If a raiser or handler has an issue with a type of contact, why can't it be sorted out via the legal system or in all the myraid ways unwanted contact is made to stop.
>>>>> It seems like that is only logical given that Seeing Eye places such trust in the grads' abilities to manage their dogs.
>>>>> I'm not sure I'm buying the "But what if" senario. I also don't understand why Seeing Eye can't place the same trust in appropriate contact and use the same resolution plan for when contact is inappropriate it uses for dog issues.
>>>>> What am I missing?
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:36 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers
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>>>>> Oh goody! Another hot button issue! Yay!!!!
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>>>>> I completely understand the reasons for the TSE puppy raiser contact policy. I understand the historic significance, and also the other reason, i.e. you're raising a dog for the school, not for a specific person, doing something for the greater good as it were, a wider cause than one specific individual. And that's all fantastic, and I agree with the motives and the reasoning. Do I wish that the policy would be modified? Certainly; I'd love to have contact with Leon's raisers. Will I lose sleep over it that I don't? Not especially. While I understand not actively facilitating contact, the practice of editing letters between the parties is something I have issues with, even though I understand why. I think, basically, it's one thing to not encourage contact, but quite another to block it between consenting parties. Assuming of course both parties are consenting. It's certainly not as easy an issue as we might like to believe.
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>>>>> I had contact with my first dog's raiser, from a school that isn't the Seeing Eye. The Ripkens are wonderful people, and we still stay in touch some even today, over 13 years later. Many relationships are like this. Not all, though; there are cases such as Jenine has mentioned. There are others where raisers in one way or another interfere with the team. Conversely, I'm aware of cases where handlers inappropriately relate to their dog's raisers, some in the ways Jenine has outlined, other times inappropriately imposing upon the raiser in some way. So it's definitely not always great, either. Does that mean that the schools need to chaperone these relationships because some might e inappropriate? Again, this isn't nearly so easy and clear cut as some would have it.
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>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
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>>>>> On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
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>>>>>> Although GDF does allow contact with puppy raisers/walker, I do feel the
>>>>>> need to defend TSE's no-contact policy. It has nothing, absolutely nothing,
>>>>>> to do with you being an adult. It's about the principle of anonymous giving,
>>>>>> selfless giving.
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>>>>>> I've been in a workshop where a puppy raiser actually said "I raised these
>>>>>> dogs. I'm entitled to pet them whenever I want. You people are too mean to
>>>>>> them, never write back and don't deserve them."
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>>>>>> The man who said this totally embarrassed his family and does not represent
>>>>>> all puppy raisers/walkers, but his opinion, or variations thereof, are out
>>>>>> there and make up the wide reasons people do raise puppies.
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>>>>>> Also, not everything your dog does now is a result of things it did as a
>>>>>> puppy or was illegally allowed to do. I've heard from puppy walkers who were
>>>>>> crushed when hearing about their dogs' behavior as guides and were berated
>>>>>> by the handlers for allowing X, Y or Z when they did no such thing.
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>>>>>> I think those who have issue with TSE's puppy contact policy should read in
>>>>>> the literature exactly why it was established. It screams respect for the
>>>>>> adult nature of blind people.
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>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
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