[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: contact with puppy raisers/walkers

Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) (Internet) REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Wed Dec 22 13:58:12 UTC 2010


Marsha, 
I am sorry this happened to you. Truly I am. 
I do want to say that "find a different school" isn't the solution to everything. It's like saying "If you don't like x about your husband, then find a different husband". 
Yes, that may be the answer, but why can't people try to change the policy from within? 
An argument for having contact with raisers is that they live with and observe the dog in the same conditions you do. The trainers do not live with the dogs, and I do think that impacts what they observe and how they observe it. It's like living with a person and noticing things that you wouldn't notice if you didn't live with them. 
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:36 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

Ginger, Thank you for this explaination. As an SE grad, I have no problem
with the way the puppy raising contact is done now. I completely see why its
done the way it is. And I know that if I wanted to send a letter to Emma's
raiser, then I can do so. I would rather stay private. I mean don't get me
wrong, how they raised Emma was wonderful, but neither do I need anything
else from them. With my previous pup, from GDB. I had a bad raiser
experience. After only 4 years of working Heather, I was forced to retire
her. And because I did so, the raiser, got very upset at me. She was never
meant to be a guide, and I have no clue why GDB put her through the
training. She was a wonderful pup, just not meant to do guide work. The
raiser blamed me for her ability not to work. And believe me if I could have
done something to make that dog work, then I would. 

So as a SE grad, I know why they did it this way. If you don't like it, then
maybe those of you who have real issues with the policy should find another
school. 

Just my two cents for whatever its worth,
Marsha 

 





-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ginger Kutsch
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:07 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

All,

There is a question about The Seeing Eye's policy regarding
raiser contact on the consumer satisfaction survey that graduates
are invited to participate in after they have been home with
their dogs for nine months. When I worked on the consumer
satisfaction committee, the majority of respondents,
approximately 80%, were satisfied with the current puppy raiser
contact policy.

As a graduate of The Seeing Eye, I have no strong feeling one way
or another about puppy raiser contact. I've written a thank you
note to my puppy raisers for each of my three dogs and have never
received a response. Whether I am able to have direct
communication with my puppy raiser or not has no bearing on my
dog's ability to guide me safely and effectively. Therefore, it
is not part of my decision making process when I consider a
school. 

There are, however,  several graduates who attend The Seeing Eye
because there is *no contact. Whether we are all "adults" or not,
people are generally brought up to feel obligated in some way to
those people who offer us assistance, give us gifts, etc. How
many times have you done something simply because you feel
obligated? 

The fact is that, whether we call ourselves "consumers" or not,
when we attend a guide dog school and receive a dog, we are
accepting charity. Those people who raise puppies for a guide dog
school are performing a charitable act. If you consider the
definition of charity for a moment, it may give you more insight
on the philosophy of The Seeing Eye. Charity is defined as 1),
generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless;
And 2), something given to a person or persons in need.  

Early on, The Seeing Eye created policies that supported its
belief that blind people deserved respect and dignity. Now I know
there are some on this list that dislike the word dignity, but
when applied correctly, one realizes that The Seeing Eye's tag
line  is not saying that dogs provide independence and dignity;
but rather  it's saying that the organization firmly believes
that independence and dignity is a right that everyone deserves.

That said, many of the policies that The Seeing Eye upholds
support this belief.

1. There is a charge for the dog. Seeing Eye does not advertise
that a blind person can come get a dog for free. This smacks of
"charity".  The fee hardly covers the true cost of the dog and
may only be symbolic, but it enables the organization to promote
its belief that blind people are not looking for a hand-out but
rather a hand-up.

2. The Seeing Eye does not accept funding, or ask its graduates
to seek funding, for any one individual's  specific training
needs. I think Buddy's post adequately explained the reason for
this policy.  

3. The Seeing Eye does not facilitate puppy raiser contact. This
policy is in keeping with the organization's belief that blind
people who receive a dog from The Seeing Eye are not charity
cases but rather individuals who are looking to enhance their
lives. This policy switches the focus of puppy raising from
raising a dog for any one blind individual to raising the dog for
an organization that provides dogs for the blind. This makes the
organization obligated to the puppy raisers, rather than placing
that burden on the individual blind person.  

Years ago when graduates expressed a desire to be able to
personally thank their puppy raisers if they so chose, The Seeing
Eye responded and created a system so that graduates might do so
while still preserving anonymity. Since the majority of Seeing
Eye graduates are satisfied with the current policy on puppy
raiser contact, it's highly unlikely that the organization will
seek to change it at this point.

Anyway, I'm not speaking on behalf of the organization, just
offering my two cents for what its worth!

Ginger,  



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