[nagdu] Legislative Consideration

Tue Feb 2 23:53:04 UTC 2010

Marion,
Thanks, that makes sense! (grin!) I wasn't clear on the DOJ or ADA's focus - 
the behavior itself or what the person does about the behavior.

Like Julie, I wonder what the DOJ will define as "smelly" - a tough one to 
nail down!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration

> Linda,
>    Just to be clear, the DOJ does define "Direct Threat" as "a significant 
> risk to the health or safety of others". As for "out of control", it is 
> not the out of control behavior that is focused upon; rather, it is 
> whether or not the handler takes immediate action to correct the behavior 
> that is cause for removal of the animal.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I think it is also subjective in defining an "out of control" dog as it 
>> is to determine a "smelly" dog.
>>
>> I had a German shepherd that yelped like it was being murdered when given 
>> a leash correction.  People would make comments all the time about 
>> "hurting that poor dog!" I learned to give the leash correction very 
>> quickly and people thought the yelp was somebody stepping on the dog's 
>> paw!
>>
>> I think we could be on a slippery slope with a rule about control of 
>> dogs. Yes, of course, we need to keep our dogs under control when in 
>> public places. The rule has to be specific to behaviors.  Someone may 
>> think our dog is "out of control" if it sniffs them. Or it can be "out of 
>> control" if it lunges and snaps at people or other dogs.  Big difference! 
>> Also there has to be a difference between people who just allow the bad 
>> behavior and those who are doing all they could to curb the behavior.
>>
>> We have to make sure the DOJ is very clear and precise as to the 
>> behaviors that are to be considered "out of control" and are really a 
>> threat to the safety and wellbeing of the public.
>>
>> About smelliness: Dogs with allergies with weeping lesions can be quite 
>> smelly.   This is the case even if the dog is being bathed in medicated 
>> shampoo daily.  Or you can get a person who just never grooms or bathes 
>> their dog! Or, you can get people who just don't like dogs to be in 
>> public at all and they hate the natural dog smell.  I think they should 
>> look at the PEOPLE who are smelly!  There's a few at our blind center who 
>> stink and don't bathe or wash their clothes - YUCK!
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC Inc)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration
>>
>>
>>> This now has me thinking about those of you who have worked dogs with
>>> behavioral issues. Laura and Dan S come to mind. Obviously, there is a
>>> point where you know the dog has issues but retirement hasn't happened
>>> yet.
>>> While I understand the "out of here, with that out of control dog" I'd
>>> like to hear from those of you who have worked a dog with behavioral
>>> issues.
>>> While writing this, I seem to remember that Jeanine mentioned working a
>>> dog that became increasingly uncomfortable around other dogs? Am I
>>> right?
>>> I'm just wondering if there's a kinder way to handle someone say in
>>> Laura or Dan S's situations and what that might be.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Johnson
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration
>>>
>>> Julie,
>>>
>>> If this were then to be the new focus, it is not solving the issue of
>>> fraudulant service animals being passed off as legitimate ones.
>>> However, it
>>> does get to the heart of the current issue at hand and one of the
>>> conditions
>>> of responsibility of a service animal user...control at all times.
>>> If then the focus now turns to developing legislation to penalize
>>> individuals for uncontrolled *service animals*, my guess is that this
>>> would
>>> then become much more reffective to move through at the State level
>>> versus
>>> Federal level, and perhaps drafting similar language through this
>>> organization *NAGDU*, and having consistent language would be the better
>>>
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> JMO
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
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