[nagdu] Legislative Consideration

Tue Feb 2 21:53:06 UTC 2010

Linda,
    Just to be clear, the DOJ does define "Direct Threat" as "a significant 
risk to the health or safety of others". As for "out of control", it is not 
the out of control behavior that is focused upon; rather, it is whether or 
not the handler takes immediate action to correct the behavior that is cause 
for removal of the animal.

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration


> Hi All,
> I think it is also subjective in defining an "out of control" dog as it is 
> to determine a "smelly" dog.
>
> I had a German shepherd that yelped like it was being murdered when given 
> a leash correction.  People would make comments all the time about 
> "hurting that poor dog!" I learned to give the leash correction very 
> quickly and people thought the yelp was somebody stepping on the dog's 
> paw!
>
> I think we could be on a slippery slope with a rule about control of dogs. 
> Yes, of course, we need to keep our dogs under control when in public 
> places. The rule has to be specific to behaviors.  Someone may think our 
> dog is "out of control" if it sniffs them. Or it can be "out of control" 
> if it lunges and snaps at people or other dogs.  Big difference!  Also 
> there has to be a difference between people who just allow the bad 
> behavior and those who are doing all they could to curb the behavior.
>
> We have to make sure the DOJ is very clear and precise as to the behaviors 
> that are to be considered "out of control" and are really a threat to the 
> safety and wellbeing of the public.
>
> About smelliness: Dogs with allergies with weeping lesions can be quite 
> smelly.   This is the case even if the dog is being bathed in medicated 
> shampoo daily.  Or you can get a person who just never grooms or bathes 
> their dog! Or, you can get people who just don't like dogs to be in public 
> at all and they hate the natural dog smell.  I think they should look at 
> the PEOPLE who are smelly!  There's a few at our blind center who stink 
> and don't bathe or wash their clothes - YUCK!
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC Inc)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration
>
>
>> This now has me thinking about those of you who have worked dogs with
>> behavioral issues. Laura and Dan S come to mind. Obviously, there is a
>> point where you know the dog has issues but retirement hasn't happened
>> yet.
>> While I understand the "out of here, with that out of control dog" I'd
>> like to hear from those of you who have worked a dog with behavioral
>> issues.
>> While writing this, I seem to remember that Jeanine mentioned working a
>> dog that became increasingly uncomfortable around other dogs? Am I
>> right?
>> I'm just wondering if there's a kinder way to handle someone say in
>> Laura or Dan S's situations and what that might be.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Johnson
>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Legislative Consideration
>>
>> Julie,
>>
>> If this were then to be the new focus, it is not solving the issue of
>> fraudulant service animals being passed off as legitimate ones.
>> However, it
>> does get to the heart of the current issue at hand and one of the
>> conditions
>> of responsibility of a service animal user...control at all times.
>> If then the focus now turns to developing legislation to penalize
>> individuals for uncontrolled *service animals*, my guess is that this
>> would
>> then become much more reffective to move through at the State level
>> versus
>> Federal level, and perhaps drafting similar language through this
>> organization *NAGDU*, and having consistent language would be the better
>>
>> approach.
>>
>> JMO
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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