[nagdu] docking and cropping dogs

Linda Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Mon Feb 8 19:57:41 UTC 2010 

Hey Julie, would love to see a picture of Monty!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs


> Thanks!  I love the floppy ears!  I'll see if I can get a decent picture 
> of Monty to send to the list.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs
>
>
>> Julie,
>> Natural Boxer ears are similar to Lab ears.  They arew very cute that 
>> way! So, Monty's ears sound like they are like they'd be if he were a 
>> full Boxer.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs
>>
>>
>>> Monty is a Boxer and lab mix.  He has natural ears that are very much 
>>> like lab ears.   Well, they could look like natural Boxer ears too, but 
>>> I have never seen a Boxer with natural ears so I can't compare.
>>>
>>> His tail was docked.  No clue why the tail would have been docked in a 
>>> mixed breed dog.  He does wag it quite exuberantly at the slightest 
>>> provocation. I think if it were long he could take out whole swarms of 
>>> toddlers, contents of coffee tables and quite possibly break some knee 
>>> caps. LOL  If I were doing the choosing though, I would not dock either 
>>> ears or tail.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Tami,
>>>> Yeah, you and me both!  I've been to local dog shows and watched the 
>>>> German shepherds walk.  Their hips were so weak and angulated that they 
>>>> looked like walking in a squat position - not attractive!  I think the 
>>>> show people like the curvy, flowing lines the dogs have with that 
>>>> angulation.
>>>>
>>>> Working shepherds have a straight topline and strong hips - as produced 
>>>> at guide dog schools.  Seeing Eye's shepherds have a nice straight 
>>>> topline and they have good hips for the work.  Those Best-In-Show 
>>>> shepherds couldn't hold up to a good working shepherd worth a diddle.
>>>>
>>>> It's the same for the pug-nosed breeds. They are bred with such severe 
>>>> shortened noses that they can't breathe right!  that's why you hear 
>>>> that labored breathing from Boxers, Pugs, Bulldogs - English and French 
>>>> ones. These people seem to want to recreate dogs in the images they 
>>>> want whether it is healthy for the dog or not.
>>>>
>>>> Take ear cropping and tail docking - both of which are illegal in the 
>>>> British Isles.  Dock the tail and you take aaway a dog's full ability 
>>>> to do doggie communication to avoid fights and misunderstandings with 
>>>> each other. Crop the ears and the ear is left open to all kinds of 
>>>> foreign debris. Natural flop ears are hairless while natural erect ears 
>>>> have lots of hair in the canal to keep stuff out.  Very sad.
>>>>
>>>> More people are chosing to leave ears and tails natural.  What are the 
>>>> ears and tails like for those of you using Boxer and Dobie guide dogs? 
>>>> My friend, who had a Dobie from Pilot in the 1980s that had both docked 
>>>> tail and cropped ears.  Does Pilot still crop ears or have the puppy 
>>>> raisers do this? It would be so nice if America stopped allowing this 
>>>> to be done to dogs.  they are beautiful as they come into this world!
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, every time I used see the Best of Breed GSD in the televised dog
>>>>> shows, I would get so mad!  Why do that to such a great breed?  How is 
>>>>> it
>>>>> even attractive?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been seeing some really great, really straight young shepherds at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> dog park we go to.  I like the more level top line much better!
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe the breed is heading back toward a healthier hip angle.  I 
>>>>> hope so!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Linda Gwizdak
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:54 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion,
>>>>> I wonder if GDF will encounter the same problems with German shepherds 
>>>>> as
>>>>> GDB?  It's a shame how this beautiful breed has been ruined by the 
>>>>> show-dog
>>>>> crowd!
>>>>>
>>>>> I know aboout the "pressure" of being the first one in something. In 
>>>>> my work
>>>>>
>>>>> with the Humane Society, I am the first disabled person with their 
>>>>> service
>>>>> dog to join the Pet-Assisted Therapy Program.  they've had lots of
>>>>> puppy-raisers and their service dog pups, but not someone like me. 
>>>>> they are
>>>>> very happy with my and Landon's performance of the job that another 
>>>>> program
>>>>> wants me to join them!
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll do fine - and the new shepherd guide!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>>    GDF hasn't trained Shepherds in more than 20 years. Because I have 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> much experience with the breed, they are re-introducing them with me 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> their first handler. Oh, the pressure! (smile)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>>>> I didn't think Guide Dog Foundation used German shepherds anymore. 
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> name "Sarge" seems to fit a shepherd more than it would a Lab.  I 
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> friend at the Naval Medical Center who has a Lab named "Scout".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My dog, Landon is named for Michael Landon actor in the old TV 
>>>>>>> series,
>>>>>>> "Bonanza" - Little Joe who was always fighting!  The actor Landon 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> also in "Little House on the Prairie" and I think "Stairway to 
>>>>>>> Heaven".
>>>>>>> He was a more mature and peaceful charactor on those two shows! I 
>>>>>>> enjoyed
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the first two shows!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My old dogs were Heidi, Charm (and she was!), Brownie (my Mom said 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> her brown eyes - she was black!), Olivia, Hanna, Janelle, Jacob, and 
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> Landon. I liked all the names and didn't feel the need to change 
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:37 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about 
>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rox,
>>>>>>>>    When I first heard my future guide dog's name, my first 
>>>>>>>> impression
>>>>>>>> was, "Oh, no! That will need to change!" However, the more I have
>>>>>>>> learned about him, the more his name seems to fit him! He is a big
>>>>>>>> German Shepherd,weighing in at 91 lbs. about three weeks ago and 
>>>>>>>> not yet
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 years old. He has an all black face and gold eyes! His name is 
>>>>>>>> Sarge!
>>>>>>>>    Now, I'm a fairly liberal person and would consider myself a 
>>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>>> activist, so the name seemed a little out-of-place for me. At the 
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> time, my first trainer was also the Founder and Executive Director 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the school from which I recieved my first three guide dogs. He is 
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> the Director of Training (I think they call it Training Officer) 
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind. His name? Well, Mike Sargeant, 
>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> called "Sarge"! When I spoke with him the last time, he referred to 
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> dog as "my namesake"! Mike is a great guy and I count him as a 
>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>> colleague, so I couldn't change Sarge's name now! BTW, Mike told me 
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> thought of changing Sarge's name himself just to rattle my cage! To
>>>>>>>> what? Well, he said he thought of "ACB"! Nice guy, huh? And I call 
>>>>>>>> him a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> friend? (big grin)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about 
>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was Marge. 
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her long to 
>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>> and now when I say or sign her name she wags like crazy.  She was 
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> a year old and I don't know how long she had been stuck with the 
>>>>>>>>> horrid
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone with that name but it just
>>>>>>>>> wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry Potter fan and everyone 
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as 
>>>>>>>>> revolutionary as
>>>>>>>>> sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs." -- Christopher Moore
>>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows Live Only: Brisomania at hotmail.com
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