[nagdu] re sighted guides

Wed Feb 17 23:07:21 UTC 2010

Hi Gary,

I don't have a partner as such, but I can tell you that I do sighted guide 
with Troy occasionally, when I really really have to. My friend as a 
wheelchair, so I just drop the harness and hold the back of the wheelchair 
while he heels beside me. Last week at church, I was getting my dog to 
follow someone while she was reading the different forms at various tables 
to make my choice of ministry to sign up to. So anyway, I decided that 
because of the crowd and the milling around, the stopping and starting, I 
asked this person if I could hold her arm. She accepted it, and it appears 
to me as though she knew I'd need some help anyway, because she told me 
she'd wait for me to let her know what I want her to do. I found sighted 
guide a lot easier, as we were able to walk quicker from table to table in 
amongst the crowd without taking up our time with giving Troy directions. If 
it was another situation, I'd just get him to follow through the crowd 
anyway, but only in most situations. Basically if it's going to take extra 
time for the dog to help you when you don't have that time on your hands for 
any reason, or don't want to hold somebody else up, just take their arm.

Hope that helps,

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:06 AM
Subject: [nagdu] re sighted guides

> Hello Everyone:
>
> A question that has popped into my mind of late is how one deals with a 
> sighted guide. I do a lot of things on my own which will be wonderful with 
> a dog. On the other hand, on the weekends especially, me and my girlfriend 
> go out and about doing the things we need or like to do.
>
> I'm sure this will be covered at my school but I was curious how others 
> deal with this. When I'm out with my girlfriend I am often holding hands 
> (romantic as I am :), sometimes an elbow if we're doing more technical 
> navigations like busy stores. So with a guide dog how does one still be 
> able to be with their partner and have their dog out with them as well? 
> Hopefully my question is making sense. If not, ask me more and I will 
> clarify or think of better examples.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How to encourage dog initiative
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> Nope.  My sighted help is not trained!  /grin/  I
>> am as bad, if not worse,
>> than the dog at preventing myself from getting sloppy when said
>> sighted help
>> is around.  We're still trying to both build up our good
>> habits, not slack
>> into bad ones! /smile/
>>
>> I once decided to trust Mitzi's judgment on a pleasant country
>> route beside
>> a fairly dangerous roadway.  So I got to go with her to go
>> bark at a goat.
>> /smile/  I was so proud of myself for letting her guide me
>> safely and surely
>> across the grass to the safer path beyond, then I just wanted to
>> jump up and
>> down and scream.  Also, I had a heck of an argument on my
>> hands convincing
>> her that this was not what she was supposed to be doing right
>> now.  I was
>> embarrassed to be doing all of this in front of what I guess to
>> be a goat.
>> The goat did not appear to care.  /grin/
>>
>> She still pauses for a half beat to look towards that goat's
>> pasture, and I
>> automatically say, "Don't even think about it."  Which she
>> clearly does
>> before deciding to go ahead and do her boring old job.  /smile/
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:15 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How to encourage dog initiative
>>
>> It's been a while since I've had a new dog, knock wood, but I
>> think that
>> what I do to encourage initiative is to encourage the dog to make
>> decisions when we get into a situation, and show him that I'm
>> willing to
>> go with his decisions once he makes one.  At first, this
>> can involve
>> standing somewhere and saying Hup-up in a cheerful way, and
>> sometimes some
>> gentle handwaving to suggest possibilities.  I've even
>> found myself giving
>> that wonderfully mystic GDF command "Find the Way!"
>> In my experience, this kind of thing requires me to work my dog
>> on my own
>> quite a bit.  Standing still and waiting for the dog to
>> figure out a
>> challenge seems to drive sighted people buggy.  Even if I
>> explain before
>> we set out that I am trying to teach the dog that he can figure
>> things out
>> without much help, when the situation comes up, the sighted
>> person barges
>> ahead saying "Oh come on; this way."  So, instead of the
>> dog learning that
>> he can make decisions, he learns that if he waits, someone will
>> go ahead
>> and he can follow them.  Not the conclusion I want.
>> Someone told me that
>> her dog would look around for a sighted person to follow, if the
>> dog felt
>> her person was confused.  That's initiative too, but not
>> the kind I want.
>> So, for me, it's really important to work with my dog alone in the
>> beginning.  Maybe other people have better control of their
>> sightedpartners than I do, but for me they can be quite a
>> hindrance to
>> team-building.
>>
>> In the beginning, and not much after either, I wouldn't expect
>> the dog to
>> figure things out if I was facing the whole wrong way or
>> something. An
>> experienced dog can sometimes figure that out, but really it's
>> my job to
>> at least aim in the generally right direction.
>> Although once, at a state convention banquet, I had to step out,
>> and I
>> pointed the way I thought we should go and told Echo
>> "Outside!"  She led
>> me the other way than I pointed, around the table and to a clear
>> aisle,and then took me to the door.  I was very
>> impressed.  Just like in the
>> Seeing Eye dog books!
>>
>> I may have messed up Ben's initiative a bit by not trusting his
>> decisions. It's hard for me to tell when he's going around
>> something and when he's
>> going to sniff something, especially in suburbia, where the work
>> is less
>> challenging and he gets more distracted. Luckily, Ben has lots of
>> confidence and initiative, so I haven't made a complete hash of
>> things.Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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