[nagdu] nagdu

Tue Feb 23 08:02:13 UTC 2010

True, but I was only speaking for Jennifer's case, and even though I don't 
personally know her and you don't know me, I guess from the way she 
commented, I simply replied accordingly, because I do know there are cane 
users who are fine without a dog. However I'm also considering the people 
who feel better with a dog without a cane, like myself, so thought I'd just 
say that that's what Jennifer could tell her parents if you know what I 
mean. I'm not saying that I've advised her like this just from my own 
experience because everyone is different, just giving her advice according 
to how she commented and what she wanted to know of how she could convince 
her parents to let her have a guide dog. Of course she could tell them that 
some people prefer a white cane, but that if she prefers a guide dog for 
some reason, then she may wish to say so if that might help her situation. 
My advice isn't going to fit all out there, I guess like all advice on this 
forum doesn't fit every situation either...

Cheers,

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu

> With all due respect, Michelle, I must point something out regarding
> your statement in a previous message to Jennifer. You said, in part,
> "Just tell them that even though you can get around with a cane, a dog
> would be an additional aid for you, as the dog can see where it's
> going and can respond to situations and obstacles quicker than your
> cane can!" Yes, a dog can see where it's going, but I'm not sure I'd
> base getting a dog on this fact. Let's take the idea of a dog guiding
> around obsticles further, since die heart cane users will tell you
> that they have no trouble in getting around obsticles either. Let's
> say that you live in a large town or city and that there are some
> hybrid or quiet cars around in your area. You can't hear the cars with
> your ears alone, but a dog can see the car and make appropriate
> adjustments. Granted this is just one area and it shouldn't be the
> basis for getting a guide dog either, but it's definitely a real
> example and possibility these days. That was one of my concerns when I
> was considering the guide dog and why I got one. Also, today's traffic
> conditions are a lot more troublesome for the pedestrian, drivers are
> more aggressive, and you may not detect that car that's zipping
> through the light until it's too late. The various guide dog schools
> and organizations like the NFB are doing their part to help fix these
> situations, but they are very real situations that can happen to
> anyone, sighted or blind, dog or cane user, no matter what the NFB and
> guide dog schools do or don't do. It's where we live today. If you're
> in a rural area, you may not have to worry about high traffic
> conditions, but sooner or later the quiet/hybrid cars are going to
> find their way into the country as well. And at times like those, I
> want a guide dog by my side.
>
> Thoughtfully,
> Wayne
>
> On 2/22/10, Michelle <m-johnson at bigpond.com> wrote:
>> Just keep hanging in there, some people don't like dogs but if they can't
>> respect that you like them, to be be nice without being offensive I'd 
>> like
>> to say that maybe they might need to learn how to be more respectful 
>> towards
>> you in this situation. Sorry, no offence intended here.
>>
>> I'm sure you'll do very well with your future dog!
>>
>> Michelle
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer L Finley" <jenniferfinley at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu
>>
>>
>>> ya, it is so crazy because when I talk about the dog, they say nothing.
>>> It's like they don't want to hear about it.  Well I have got nues for 
>>> them
>>> they better get use to it because I am going to keep talking about it.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michelle" <m-johnson at bigpond.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> My parents have always supported me in getting a guide dog since I was
>>>> little. They've always told me to wait until I'm old enough to look 
>>>> after
>>>> a dog, and so long as I look after it properly, they'd be all for me
>>>> getting a dog. So now I've got one! I hope your parents change their
>>>> minds
>>>> soon.
>>>>
>>>> Just tell them that even though you can get around with a cane, a dog
>>>> would be an additional aid for you, as the dog can see where it's going
>>>> and can respond to situations and obstacles quicker than your cane can!
>>>> If
>>>> they say anything like "Yeah but you know the dog makes mistakes too",
>>>> tell them, "so do other people when they're guiding me. What's the
>>>> difference?" Now, the worst case scenario might be that your parents 
>>>> tell
>>>> you that the dog can't help you if you get hurt and some talk like 
>>>> that.
>>>> So, just tell them that it's true, but other people can help, and 
>>>> you'll
>>>> learn how to control your dog in those situations. Just keep talking
>>>> about
>>>> the positives about getting a guide dog, not the negatives. Because by
>>>> the
>>>> time you get it, if they're sensible (sorry, I don't mean that in a bad
>>>> way), then they'll get to realise how beneficial the dog is to you, and
>>>> anything that negative that might happen will be dealt with better in
>>>> most
>>>> cases. Just talk to one of the guide dog schools about this problem, 
>>>> they
>>>> should be able to help you! They're good with assisting people through
>>>> these family situations, and they'll teach you how to cope with this
>>>> issue, and maybe your parents will accept that their experience will
>>>> ensure your safety. Hopefully your parents realise that if someone is
>>>> there to help you, then your parents will feel that they don't have to
>>>> worry so much about you and how you'll handle a dog.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>> I am also new to this list. I am also attempting to convince my 
>>>>> parents
>>>>> that
>>>>> a guide dog will be a useful and necessary addition to the mobility
>>>>> toolbox.
>>>>> I am 18 years old and I am a junior in high school. So I still have a
>>>>> few
>>>>> years before I can move out. I would be interested in sharing notes 
>>>>> with
>>>>> you
>>>>> about the quest to convince the parents. Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> SKYPE: mark.cadigan
>>>>> AIM: mcperkins22car
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jennifer L Finley" <jenniferfinley at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] nagdu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi this is Jennifer, I just wanted to know if anyone has had parents
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> do not agree with them getting a guide dog.  If you have, please let 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> know how to talk to them about it.
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