[nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort

Albert J Rizzi albert at myblindspot.org
Fri Jan 1 20:22:17 UTC 2010 

Hmm... that could be a sizeable cost for sure.   thanks for that info.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Gary
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort

Hello

Guide Dogs of the Desert doesn't charge for their dogs but the last I heard
they need for the potential handler to cover the travel costs to get to and
from their program.


Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort

Fidelco requests, though I believe does not require, a $150 donation. Leader
I think used to charge $1, but I think otherwise, all the other schools are
free.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Margo and Arrow wrote:

> those of us who go to The Seeing eye do pay a fee for our dogs--it's a
small fee.  I believe we're the only school which requires payment of any
kind but could be wrong.
> 
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi"
<albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
> 
> 
>> I am not sure what costs would ne incurred, as I understand and as has
been
>> my experience, there is no cost for securing a guide dog.  I am new to
>> blindness and assume that most if not all organizations provide guides
free
>> of charge. I agree with you that the certification process if it is to
be,
>> must be determined independently and not by any individual school, but by
a
>> seasoned group of professionals, end users and others with the skill set
>> sufficient to create a certification  program which would better ensure
well
>> trained guides for those who need them. I see how certification has
impacted
>> so many other areas professionally, and I am inclined to feel that
>> certification would not set anyone back. It would all be in how we as a
>> consumer roup direct that so as to ensure it is empowering and promising
for
>> all.  I also do not see how this would impact our taxes since I do not
>> believe the certification of mobility instructors and teachers and others
is
>> a cost of those looking for the certification and education sufficient
>> enough to be considered a professional in their respective arenas. I see
how
>> the state protections in Florida are a good basis to grow from, but as
>> recently shared end users are still being denied access to stores and
>> transportation. We may need to work on educating all people about the ADA
>> rather then worrying about trainers being denied access. Thanks.
>> 
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
is
>> doing it."
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:10 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> 
>> Albert,
>> 
>> I will freely admit that the word "certification" scares the crap out of
me.
>> 
>> All the issues that Buddy, Steve, Rox'e, Linda and Marion have brought up
>> are my issues as well.
>> 
>> I am like buddy, in that I am not actually opposed to certification, but
>> rather the implementation of that certification.   As of yet I have not
seen
>> 
>> any sort of proposed scheme for certification that is fair, unbiased and
>> would not place a burden on the end user or taxpayers.  If someone can
>> convince me that their program for implementing certification will not
cost
>> more money and will not be biased I'll sign up.  Until then I'm a "no
>> certification" gal.
>> 
>> I suppose my very serious lack of enthusiasm of certification comes from
the
>> 
>> knowledge of previous government and blindness agency efforts to "help"
the
>> blind or "enhance" our opportunities or some such other stupidity.  I am
not
>> 
>> old enough to have been around during the times of protests, but I am old
>> enough to know lots of other blind people who were.   Agencies offering
>> accreditation or approval of various aspects of blindness services do not
>> have a good track record.  Really I like the current laws and would
rather
>> live with the minor inconveniencies of them than come up with new ones
that
>> would quite possibly take us back 50 years in personal freedoms for blind
>> people.
>> 
>> JMO, a'course
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi"
<albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> 
>> 
>>> Lol, yeah sign me up for a self trained dog who can pour a scotch.  Well
>>> why
>>> is there an assumption that certification will be granted by individual
>>> schools, rather then an independent  body comprised of end users an
>>> professionals from the field?  Anything different would most certainly
>>> appear self serving  for those schools to determined who is or is not a
>>> certified trainer.  I am not supporting that dogs be certified, but that
>>> the
>>> trainer, much like others in the field of mobility are certified and
>>> trained
>>> either according to national, or as seems to be the preference, a state
>>> standard? Again, I would draw attention to the need for a guide to be
>>> introduced and worked in those everyday environments which they will
>>> inevitably come up against once they are passed onto a handler.  Is that
>>> not
>>> proper?  I mean there is significant training that goes into a guide
prior
>>> to even venturing out into the public? Am I correct in that position? I
am
>>> not sure why it would seem odd to want our guides to be sufficiently
>>> trained
>>> in areas where public accommodation  as defined under the ADA are
>>> afforded?
>>> 
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
is
>>> doing it."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>>> Of The Pawpower Pack
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:04 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>>> 
>>> Albert,
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify; my dog is not self-trained.  She did not train
>>> herself.  If you ever find a dog who can train itself, let me know.
>>> It'd save me quite a bit of work.  Grin!
>>> 
>>> Many owner trainers actually don't really begin public access training
>>> for quite some time.  I have known an owner trainer to train the guide
>>> work on streets and in places where the general public is allowed to
>>> bring their pets.  In some cities such as Portland Oregon, dogs are
>>> allowed on pubtrans.
>>> 
>>> I don't appose giving training staff the right to bring pups in
>>> training into places of public accommodation.
>>> 
>>> There are two problems I have with this law, the first is the word
>>> "certified."  I think it opens up a huge can of worms, and is a
>>> slippery slope from certifying trainers to certifying teams.  I think
>>> it self-serving to allow the programs to certify their own trainers
>>> and also as an owner trainer I would rather that the programs not be
>>> involved in certifying my dog.
>>> My second issue with this legislation is as Marion said.  I do not
>>> think the ADA which is a law written to protect the civil rights of
>>> persons with disabilities is the place to address the rights of
>>> largely non-disabled trainers.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> earn it and win it in every generation."
>>> -- Coretta Scott King
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