[nagdu] ownership
cheryl echevarria
cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 2 13:29:07 UTC 2010
I have the ownership agreement Marion.
It basically states, I own maxx but not his harness and that is the property of GDF. If in the future I decided that I cannot care for maxx and cannot find him a home, then I can bring him back to the school.
I think Jeanine Stanley is on here and she should be able to go into it as well. I also get assistance with the school in the way of vet care.
That is how I understand it.
Cheryl Echevarria
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marion & Martin<mailto:swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ownership
Though GDF does provide ownership, there are some strings attached that
I intend to discuss with them. Since I do not have the ownership agreement
in front of me, I will withhold my comments concerning the details.
Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net<mailto:julielj at windstream.net>>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ownership
> Albert,
>
> GDF does offer ownership.
>
> For me ownership is an absolute must. People's views on ownership vary
> considerably. We've discussed it here before and I'm sure it will come up
> in another 6 months again. It is one of the topics that we all just agree
> to disagree on.
>
> We've discussed financial contributions toward the price of a guide dog
> too. I'm still in favor. Perhaps it's my own personal issues that make me
> feel uncomfortable with the idea of not paying for something. I don't
> know.
>
> Julie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Few: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>
>
>> Well I own my dog, I am not borrowing Maxx and giving him back when he
>> retires.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Albert J Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 11:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Few: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>>
>>
>> It was also presented to us that, and perhaps such was said to drive
>> others
>> away from one school or another, but that a blind person should not
>> expect
>> to pay anything for a guide. But cheryl, Margo let me know that those
>> handlers going to seeing eye in fact, for the nominal fee she told me
>> about,
>> allows for complete ownership of the guide, where you and I simply are
>> loaned the dog, and if push ever came to shove, they could take the dog
>> back
>> if cause was justified. I am inclined to see the value of contributing
>> in
>> some way to the process, to help keep costs down. I myself have seen fit
>> to
>> actively participate in raising over 75k for the gdf as a way to pay for
>> the
>> privilege of getting a guide.
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York 10004
>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:54 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>>
>> Margo I totally understand this, since at the Guide Dog Foundation we do
>> not
>> pay anything, and since Albert and I are both newly blind people with
>> our
>> first guide dogs, we don't know that other schools charge a price. We
>> didn't and so that many others may not know this either.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Independent Contractor
>>
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>> 1-866-580-5574
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Margo and
>> Arrow<mailto:margo.downey at verizon.net<mailto:margo.downey at verizon.net<mailto:margo.downey at verizon.net%3Cmailto:margo.downey at verizon.net>>>
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>>
>>
>> Albert, I see nothing wrong with paying something for my dog guide.
>> Absolutely nothing. what is this harsh reality stuff? I don't
>> understand.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi"
>>
>> <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>>>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>>
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>>
>>
>> > Thank you for the kind words and for the suggested readings. Also,
>> thank
>>
>> > you
>> > for the harsh reality that some of my blind peers in fact are
>> required
>> to
>> > pay for their guides. I never knew that was the case as the
>> foundation I
>>
>> > got
>> > my guide from required nothing of me just that I had strong cane
>> skills.
>>
>> > I
>> > had no idea. I also have been reading marching alone and walking
>> together
>> > and draw so much inspiration and determination from that book, that
>> I am
>> > looking forward to reading your other suggestions. I do realize how
>> far
>>
>> > the
>> > civil rights movement has come for the afircan Americans, women,
>> gays,
>> and
>> > oh so many others which make up the mosaic that is our country. I
>> also
>> > appreciate the advancements realized for the blind and the disabled
>> > community yet still am lost about understanding the whys of how much
>> more
>> > needs to be done to ensure equality and access. I have accepted my
>> > calling
>> > to be a force to be reckoned with to further the efforts of my
>> > predescesors
>> > and be a catalyst to further that effort. I have much to learn, and
>> have
>> > lost much, but not as much as I have gained in seeing life from the
>> new
>> > perspective that blindness has brought to my life. Perhaps off line
>> we
>> > could
>> > talk about my efforts which are well underway to making my county
>> and
>> then
>> > my state the model for technology access one school at a time, one
>> town
>> > hall
>> > at a time and one county at a time, and then state by state. I am
>> here
>> > for
>> > the long haul and refuse to accept being marginalized or
>> disenfranchised
>>
>> > by
>> > anyone or anything just because I am blind. I did not accept it as
>> a
>> gay
>> > man and I plan to work my blindness as positively and empoweringly
>> as
>> I
>> > did in getting others to see me as a man who happened to be gay
>> rather
>> > then
>> > a gay man. I thank you and do know I value your experience and
>> knowledge
>> > in this new way I navigate life. Peace.
>> >
>> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> > CEO/Founder
>> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> > New York, New York 10004
>> >
>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/%3Chttp://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>>
>> > PH: 917-553-0347
>> > Fax: 212-858-5759
>> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>> who
>> is
>> > doing it."
>> >
>> >
>> > Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> > Of Julie J
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:37 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> >
>> > Albert,
>> >
>> > Some guide dogs do cost substantial amounts of money. The Seeing
>> Eye
>> > charges $150 for your first guide from there. Noah's Assistance
>> Dogs
>> > charges $1,500 for a guide or service dog. Some blind people choose
>> to
>> > use
>> > a private trainer which could cost several thousand dollars. I do
>> know
>> of
>> > a
>> >
>> > couple other very small programs that charge substantial amounts for
>> their
>> > guide dogs. Owner trainers financial investments vary considerably.
>> If
>>
>> > you
>> >
>> > purchase a dog from a reputable breeder it could cost thousands.
>> Add in
>>
>> > the
>> >
>> > cost of health screening tests, equipment, training expenses and
>> other
>> > incidentals and you could be looking at thousands of dollars on top
>> of
>> the
>> > cost of the dog.
>> >
>> > You also mentioned that the Florida laws are a good starting place,
>> but
>> > that
>> >
>> > individuals are still being denied access. I'd like to point out
>> that
>> > civil
>> >
>> > rights laws for racial minority groups and women are much older than
>> the
>>
>> > ADA
>> >
>> > and those groups still experience discrimination. It has only been
>> about
>> > 20
>> >
>> > years for the ADA and I think we have made substantial progress in
>> that
>> > time. Social change isn't going to happen overnight.
>> >
>> > You admit being new to blindness and not understanding everything.
>> I
>> > commend you for being so diligent about learning. I really think
>> reading
>> > everything you possibly can from
>> >
>> http://www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/<http://www.nfb.org%3chttp//www.nfb.org/<http://www.nfb.org%3chttp//www.nfb.org/%3Chttp://www.nfb.org%3chttp//www.nfb.org/>>>
>> > especially the older more historical documents will help you
>> understand
>> > what
>> >
>> > blind people have struggled with and overcome in the past. I think
>> it
>> > might
>> >
>> > help you understand why many of the folks on this list have the
>> beliefs
>> > that
>> >
>> > we do. We understand what has been tried, what worked and what
>> didn't.
>> > I've been legally blind for around 17 years now. Many of the people
>> on
>> > this
>> >
>> > list have been blind much longer than that and some their entire
>> life.
>> We
>> > are all still learning.
>> >
>> > If you can I'd also highly recommend reading "The Nature of
>> Independence"
>> > it's available at the NFB site I linked above. This article helped
>> me
>> > immensely when I was transitioning from newly acquired blindness
>> skills
>> to
>> > living in the real world.
>> >
>> > HTH
>> > Julie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Albert J Rizzi"
>>
>> <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>>>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>> >
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:45 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> >
>> >
>> >>I am not sure what costs would ne incurred, as I understand and as
>> has
>> >>been
>> >> my experience, there is no cost for securing a guide dog. I am new
>> to
>> >> blindness and assume that most if not all organizations provide
>> guides
>> >> free
>> >> of charge. I agree with you that the certification process if it is
>> to
>> >> be,
>> >> must be determined independently and not by any individual school,
>> but
>> by
>> >> a
>> >> seasoned group of professionals, end users and others with the
>> skill
>> set
>> >> sufficient to create a certification program which would better
>> ensure
>> >> well
>> >> trained guides for those who need them. I see how certification has
>> >> impacted
>> >> so many other areas professionally, and I am inclined to feel that
>> >> certification would not set anyone back. It would all be in how we
>> as a
>> >> consumer roup direct that so as to ensure it is empowering and
>> promising
>> >> for
>> >> all. I also do not see how this would impact our taxes since I do
>> not
>> >> believe the certification of mobility instructors and teachers and
>> others
>> >> is
>> >> a cost of those looking for the certification and education
>> sufficient
>> >> enough to be considered a professional in their respective arenas.
>> I
>> see
>> >> how
>> >> the state protections in Florida are a good basis to grow from, but
>> as
>> >> recently shared end users are still being denied access to stores
>> and
>> >> transportation. We may need to work on educating all people about
>> the
>> ADA
>> >> rather then worrying about trainers being denied access. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> >> CEO/Founder
>> >> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> >> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> >> New York, New York 10004
>> >>
>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/%3Chttp://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>>
>> >> PH: 917-553-0347
>> >> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> >> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>> who
>>
>> >> is
>> >> doing it."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From:
>> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Julie J
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:10 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> >>
>> >> Albert,
>> >>
>> >> I will freely admit that the word "certification" scares the crap
>> out
>> of
>> >> me.
>> >>
>> >> All the issues that Buddy, Steve, Rox'e, Linda and Marion have
>> brought
>> up
>> >> are my issues as well.
>> >>
>> >> I am like buddy, in that I am not actually opposed to
>> certification,
>> but
>> >> rather the implementation of that certification. As of yet I have
>> not
>> >> seen
>> >>
>> >> any sort of proposed scheme for certification that is fair,
>> unbiased
>> and
>> >> would not place a burden on the end user or taxpayers. If someone
>> can
>> >> convince me that their program for implementing certification will
>> not
>> >> cost
>> >> more money and will not be biased I'll sign up. Until then I'm a
>> "no
>> >> certification" gal.
>> >>
>> >> I suppose my very serious lack of enthusiasm of certification comes
>> from
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >> knowledge of previous government and blindness agency efforts to
>> "help"
>> >> the
>> >> blind or "enhance" our opportunities or some such other stupidity.
>> I
>> am
>> >> not
>> >>
>> >> old enough to have been around during the times of protests, but I
>> am
>> old
>> >> enough to know lots of other blind people who were. Agencies
>> offering
>> >> accreditation or approval of various aspects of blindness services
>> do
>> not
>> >> have a good track record. Really I like the current laws and would
>> >> rather
>> >> live with the minor inconveniencies of them than come up with new
>> ones
>> >> that
>> >> would quite possibly take us back 50 years in personal freedoms for
>> blind
>> >> people.
>> >>
>> >> JMO, a'course
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Albert J Rizzi"
>>
>> <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org%3Cmailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>>>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>> >>
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:44 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Lol, yeah sign me up for a self trained dog who can pour a scotch.
>> Well
>> >>> why
>> >>> is there an assumption that certification will be granted by
>> individual
>> >>> schools, rather then an independent body comprised of end users
>> an
>> >>> professionals from the field? Anything different would most
>> certainly
>> >>> appear self serving for those schools to determined who is or is
>> not
>> a
>> >>> certified trainer. I am not supporting that dogs be certified,
>> but
>> that
>> >>> the
>> >>> trainer, much like others in the field of mobility are certified
>> and
>> >>> trained
>> >>> either according to national, or as seems to be the preference, a
>> state
>> >>> standard? Again, I would draw attention to the need for a guide to
>> be
>> >>> introduced and worked in those everyday environments which they
>> will
>> >>> inevitably come up against once they are passed onto a handler.
>> Is
>> that
>> >>> not
>> >>> proper? I mean there is significant training that goes into a
>> guide
>> >>> prior
>> >>> to even venturing out into the public? Am I correct in that
>> position?
>> I
>> >>> am
>> >>> not sure why it would seem odd to want our guides to be
>> sufficiently
>> >>> trained
>> >>> in areas where public accommodation as defined under the ADA are
>> >>> afforded?
>> >>>
>> >>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> >>> CEO/Founder
>> >>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> >>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> >>> New York, New York 10004
>> >>>
>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/%3Chttp://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>>
>> >>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> >>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> >>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
>> one
>> who
>> >>> is
>> >>> doing it."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From:
>> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of The Pawpower Pack
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:04 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort
>> >>>
>> >>> Albert,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just to clarify; my dog is not self-trained. She did not train
>> >>> herself. If you ever find a dog who can train itself, let me
>> know.
>> >>> It'd save me quite a bit of work. Grin!
>> >>>
>> >>> Many owner trainers actually don't really begin public access
>> training
>> >>> for quite some time. I have known an owner trainer to train the
>> guide
>> >>> work on streets and in places where the general public is allowed
>> to
>> >>> bring their pets. In some cities such as Portland Oregon, dogs
>> are
>> >>> allowed on pubtrans.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't appose giving training staff the right to bring pups in
>> >>> training into places of public accommodation.
>> >>>
>> >>> There are two problems I have with this law, the first is the word
>> >>> "certified." I think it opens up a huge can of worms, and is a
>> >>> slippery slope from certifying trainers to certifying teams. I
>> think
>> >>> it self-serving to allow the programs to certify their own
>> trainers
>> >>> and also as an owner trainer I would rather that the programs not
>> be
>> >>> involved in certifying my dog.
>> >>> My second issue with this legislation is as Marion said. I do not
>> >>> think the ADA which is a law written to protect the civil rights
>> of
>> >>> persons with disabilities is the place to address the rights of
>> >>> largely non-disabled trainers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>> >>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> >>> "Struggle is a never ending process. Freedom is never really won,
>> you
>> >>> earn it and win it in every generation."
>> >>> -- Coretta Scott King
>> >>>
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