[nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123

[Steve Johnson]

No, but you can influence them/grin!  


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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Passle Helminski
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:15 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123

Yes, but you can not control the Committees who work on the Bill.

Passle

>If it does go back, do you have language anywhere where there is a 
>penalty for interfereing with a service animal?  This seems to lead up 
>to that, but then just seems to miss it.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>Behalf Of Passle Helminski
>Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:51 PM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>
>Hi Ginger,
>
>You are right.  I am not happy with the Senate amendment but it has to 
>go back to the House before it becomes law. I may not be law this time 
>as you know it is never a done deal.  I will not stop until we have a law
in PA.
>
>Thanks Ginger.
>Passle
>
>
>
>>Passle & all,
>>
>>The original language as introduced read:
>>(2.2)  (i)  A person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree if he 
>>is the owner or co-owner of a dog that kills, maims or disfigures a 
>>guide dog of an individual who is blind, a hearing dog of an 
>>individual who is deaf or audibly impaired or a service dog of an 
>>individual who is physically limited without provocation by the guide, 
>>hearing or service dog or the individual.
>>
>>The new amendment adds the following language to the above:
>>(ii)  A person commits an offense under this paragraph only if the 
>>person knew or should have known that the dog he owns or co-owns had a 
>>propensity to attack human beings or domestic animals without 
>>provocation.
>>
>>Adding knowledge as an attendant circumstance substantially waters 
>>down this bill but as you and Marion have pointed out, getting 
>>anything in Pennsylvania's criminal code is in itself a huge step. 
>>Kudos to you and all others who've worked so hard to secure increased 
>>protection for your dogs.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Ginger
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>Behalf Of Passle Helminski
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:05 PM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>>
>>Hi Marion,
>>
>>You are so right. That is what I have been telling folks for years.
>>No Bill is perfect that why we have amendments.  Just getting a Bill 
>>in our Criminal Code on the books has taken more than 8 years and it 
>>may take more than 8 more years but we will get it done.  There are 
>>too many dogs, trainers and schools that need this Bill to happen.
>>
>>Artfully yours,
>>
>>Passle, Kate and Ariel
>>
>>>Passel,
>>>      What is most important in these things is to get something
>>passed,
>>>even if it is not everything we want. Later, we can go back and
>>amend
>>>it further. Please let us know what the amendment is, though!
>>>
>>>Fraternally yours,
>>>Marion
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Passle Helminski"
>>><passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:02 PM
>>>Subject: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>>>
>>>>    >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    The bill has been amended in
>>>>>>Judiciary, and the amendment is not posted to the computer
>>screen
>>>>>>yet, so I have no idea what it contains.  However, the vote
>>was 14-0
>>>>>>to report the amended bill to the floor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I hope to be able to find out more about the amendment
>>tomorrow.
>>>>>>I got the
>>>>>>impression that it was to make the language accord with
>>existing
>>>>>>Crimes Code provisions - so that lawyers could not throw out
>>cases
>>>>>>on technicality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Passle
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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