[nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123

Fri Jul 2 01:09:27 UTC 2010

>Yes and no. I have built relationships with my legislatures and 
>trust me when I say you can infulence but not control Committees. 
>Smile.

Passle

>


>No, but you can influence them/grin! 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Passle Helminski
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:15 AM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>
>Yes, but you can not control the Committees who work on the Bill.
>
>Passle
>
>>If it does go back, do you have language anywhere where there is a
>>penalty for interfereing with a service animal?  This seems to lead up
>>to that, but then just seems to miss it.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Passle Helminski
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:51 PM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>>
>>Hi Ginger,
>>
>>You are right.  I am not happy with the Senate amendment but it has to
>>go back to the House before it becomes law. I may not be law this time
>>as you know it is never a done deal.  I will not stop until we have a law
>in PA.
>>
>>Thanks Ginger.
>>Passle
>>
>>
>>
>>>Passle & all,
>>>
>>>The original language as introduced read:
>>>(2.2)  (i)  A person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree if he
>>>is the owner or co-owner of a dog that kills, maims or disfigures a
>>>guide dog of an individual who is blind, a hearing dog of an
>>>individual who is deaf or audibly impaired or a service dog of an
>>>individual who is physically limited without provocation by the guide,
>>>hearing or service dog or the individual.
>>>
>>>The new amendment adds the following language to the above:
>>>(ii)  A person commits an offense under this paragraph only if the
>>>person knew or should have known that the dog he owns or co-owns had a
>>>propensity to attack human beings or domestic animals without
>>>provocation.
>>>
>>>Adding knowledge as an attendant circumstance substantially waters
>>>down this bill but as you and Marion have pointed out, getting
>>>anything in Pennsylvania's criminal code is in itself a huge step.
>>>Kudos to you and all others who've worked so hard to secure increased
>>>protection for your dogs.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Ginger
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Passle Helminski
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:05 PM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>>>
>>>Hi Marion,
>>>
>>>You are so right. That is what I have been telling folks for years.
>>>No Bill is perfect that why we have amendments.  Just getting a Bill
>>>in our Criminal Code on the books has taken more than 8 years and it
>>>may take more than 8 more years but we will get it done.  There are
>>>too many dogs, trainers and schools that need this Bill to happen.
>>>
>>>Artfully yours,
>>>
>>>Passle, Kate and Ariel
>>>
>>>>Passel,
>>>>       What is most important in these things is to get something
>>>passed,
>>>>even if it is not everything we want. Later, we can go back and
>>>amend
>>>>it further. Please let us know what the amendment is, though!
>>>>
>>>>Fraternally yours,
>>>>Marion
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Passle Helminski"
>>>><passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:02 PM
>>>>Subject: [nagdu] Up date on PA HB 123
>>>>
>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     The bill has been amended in
>>>>>>>Judiciary, and the amendment is not posted to the computer
>>>screen
>>>>>>>yet, so I have no idea what it contains.  However, the vote
>>>was 14-0
>>>>>>>to report the amended bill to the floor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I hope to be able to find out more about the amendment
>>>tomorrow.
>>>>>>>I got the
>  >>>>>>impression that it was to make the language accord with
>>>existing
>>>>>>>Crimes Code provisions - so that lawyers could not throw out
>>>cases
>>>>>>>on technicality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-Passle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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