[nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Jordan Frances Ortiz ortizj32 at students.rowan.edu
Thu Jul 29 03:10:48 UTC 2010


As Danielle's Co-Raiser, rommmate, and friend I'd have to agree.  If we 
only took our puppies to pet friendly areas they would not receive the 
exposure handlers require.  I am a Seeing Eye dog handler and raiser.  
Viola is my Seeing eye dog, and I appreciate all the exposure her 
raisers gave her.  We have taken our puppies everywhere, and I have no 
problem asking for permission.  For those who think that raising puppies 
should not be allowed in areas that only service dogs are allowed I have 
to aks a question.  what would you do if your dog started backing down 
open stairs or planting their paws when they see a strange statue?  How 
would you correct shaking at a parade or cowering from children.

We as raisers work hard every minute of everyday to make all of the 
harness dogs have a smooth working experience.  These puppies need the 
exposure to as much as possible, or when they get with their handlers 
they will freeze up.  I believe that if there were to be new laws passed 
that puppies and service dogs should be required to show ID when 
entering public places.  I feel this will inconvenience our lives, but 
it will cut down all people snaeaking in pets as service puppies or dogs.

Nothing annoys me mor ethan when I get on a transit bus that doesn't 
allow pets with my guide dog and puppy and there is a women on the bus 
with a yappy dog in her purse.  "Its my service dog"  right... sorry for 
the rant, but this stuff means a lot to me.

Jordan and Viola




Danielle Nicole Larsen wrote:
> Hi Everyone!
> First, a quick introduction as I'm not a frequent poster on this list. My
> name is Danielle, and I'm a Seeing Eye puppy raiser. I've also been 
> accepted
> to get a guide from TSE and am in the process of making that decision. 
> I'm a
> senior at Rowan University in New Jersey.
>
> Firstly, I feel that puppy in training access rights is far from a waste.
> There is a very important reason puppies need to go places. For 
> exposure. If
> puppies can't go anywhere they are going to have significant surprise
> reactins much more often in harness. As a puppy raiser it's our job to
> ensure they have seen it all, and reacted successfully to it all by 
> the time
> they are ready for training.
> The puppy that I work with most often now has gone all over, and we 
> haven't
> had huge access problems. And that is fortuante but not always the 
> case. If
> they dont' get out, they don't recieve exposure and don't know how to 
> work
> in harness. If you are a guide dog handler I'm certian you would not want
> your pup to have only been to pets mart or a dog park
>
> Secondly, The Seeing Eye, the shcool I raise for I'm sure your all 
> familar
> with, doesn't want the puppies at dog parks and things of the like. These
> places have dogs of all types that may not all have thier 
> vaccinations. So
> not all pet friendly places are puppy appropriate.
>
> I honestly believe that it should be required for a puppy raiser to have
> their pup wearing identifying attire and present ID at each place. But I
> think that if that is followed, access should be granted via laws.
> Eventually. Right now things are okay. But with that law things could be
> much better. The more places a puppy can go, the more ready they are 
> for the
> working world. And in no way could that EVER be viewed as bad!
>
> As a puppy raiser I made the commitment to the work that goes into it. 
> And I
> have loved every single second, both good and bad, of it. There is not 
> one
> moment I would take back. I understand calling places ahead of time is 
> part
> of the deal. And it's not a problem for me. It's what I committed to 
> do by
> working with this puppy. But that doesn't mean that having the laws 
> wouldn't
> help. Any chance at exposure as far as I'm concerned is a good one. 
> And if
> the laws were able to support that I think it would make a difference.
>
> I'll step off my soapbox now!
> =)
>
> -D
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" 
> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
>
>> Meghan,
>> Thank you for this. Probably people think that you're training the pup
>> to replace your current guide. Or, they just like you or like one or
>> both dogs. Nothing wrong with that.
>> I'm glad you have the rights in Wisconsin, I just don't think giving
>> access rights v. privileges to puppies in training is a good use of
>> resources. NFB and the other blindness and service dog organizations
>> still have a lot to do with regard to access issues for working teams.
>> I'd rather see oure fferts go toward that end given that puppy raisers
>> are able to both ask permission as well as frequent pet friendly places
>> and activities.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:45 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>> That is a very good question, and one I really can't answer.  I just
>> know
>> that in Wisconsin, dogs in training are granted the same access rights,
>> as
>> long as they behave.  I am honestly a little bit surprised that I
>> haven't
>> been challenged for having two dogs with me, but I will cross that
>> bridge if
>> I come upon it.
>>
>> I would have no issues with calling ahead to see if I could bring my
>> puppy
>> in training with me, if that was what the law required, but it is very
>> nice
>> to know that he can come in everywhere.
>>
>> Meghan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" 
>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>>
>>> Hi Meghan. The way you explain the leaving and coming back makes
>> sense.
>>> You're teaching a very defined skill, unlike with parents who teach
>> "how
>>> to be a good person" which is very different. In your situation,
>> you're
>>> trying to stop the dog from barking and you reintroduced the situation
>>> quickly so the good behavior was reinforced.
>>> My problem with the "just leave if the dog acts up" is that it teaches
>>> the dog that if it is just tired of working, all it need do is act up.
>>> Your explamation sounds like it teaches the correct behavior v. the
>>> incorrect one. In fairness, this can be very difficult to keep in
>> mind.
>>> I'm still not sure why service dogs in training need the rights that
>>> guide dog users do. Your thoughts? I guess I don't understand why
>> asking
>>> for permission and sticking to dog-friendly places wouldn't be enough?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:36 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: EXTERNAL:[nagdu] Puppy raising
>>>
>>> Hi Meghan.
>>> I would be extremely interested to hear more about your puppy-raising
>>> experiences.  You have a guide dog, too, don't you?  How does that
>> work?
>>>
>>> Or are you between dogs?Tell us all about your puppy!
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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