[nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Thu Jul 29 15:49:38 UTC 2010

Danielle,

Welcome to the list. I am also a Seeing Eye grad. I think you will be happy
with a guide from SE. And I do agree the puppies need the same rights. 

Marsha

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Danielle Nicole Larsen
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:11 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Hi Everyone!
First, a quick introduction as I'm not a frequent poster on this list. My
name is Danielle, and I'm a Seeing Eye puppy raiser. I've also been accepted
to get a guide from TSE and am in the process of making that decision. I'm a
senior at Rowan University in New Jersey.

Firstly, I feel that puppy in training access rights is far from a waste.
There is a very important reason puppies need to go places. For exposure. If
puppies can't go anywhere they are going to have significant surprise
reactins much more often in harness. As a puppy raiser it's our job to
ensure they have seen it all, and reacted successfully to it all by the time
they are ready for training.
The puppy that I work with most often now has gone all over, and we haven't
had huge access problems. And that is fortuante but not always the case. If
they dont' get out, they don't recieve exposure and don't know how to work
in harness. If you are a guide dog handler I'm certian you would not want
your pup to have only been to pets mart or a dog park

Secondly, The Seeing Eye, the shcool I raise for I'm sure your all familar
with, doesn't want the puppies at dog parks and things of the like. These
places have dogs of all types that may not all have thier vaccinations. So
not all pet friendly places are puppy appropriate.

I honestly believe that it should be required for a puppy raiser to have
their pup wearing identifying attire and present ID at each place. But I
think that if that is followed, access should be granted via laws.
Eventually. Right now things are okay. But with that law things could be
much better. The more places a puppy can go, the more ready they are for the
working world. And in no way could that EVER be viewed as bad!

As a puppy raiser I made the commitment to the work that goes into it. And I
have loved every single second, both good and bad, of it. There is not one
moment I would take back. I understand calling places ahead of time is part
of the deal. And it's not a problem for me. It's what I committed to do by
working with this puppy. But that doesn't mean that having the laws wouldn't
help. Any chance at exposure as far as I'm concerned is a good one. And if
the laws were able to support that I think it would make a difference.

I'll step off my soapbox now!
=)

-D

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

> Meghan,
> Thank you for this. Probably people think that you're training the pup
> to replace your current guide. Or, they just like you or like one or
> both dogs. Nothing wrong with that.
> I'm glad you have the rights in Wisconsin, I just don't think giving
> access rights v. privileges to puppies in training is a good use of
> resources. NFB and the other blindness and service dog organizations
> still have a lot to do with regard to access issues for working teams.
> I'd rather see oure fferts go toward that end given that puppy raisers
> are able to both ask permission as well as frequent pet friendly places
> and activities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:45 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
> That is a very good question, and one I really can't answer.  I just
> know
> that in Wisconsin, dogs in training are granted the same access rights,
> as
> long as they behave.  I am honestly a little bit surprised that I
> haven't
> been challenged for having two dogs with me, but I will cross that
> bridge if
> I come upon it.
>
> I would have no issues with calling ahead to see if I could bring my
> puppy
> in training with me, if that was what the law required, but it is very
> nice
> to know that he can come in everywhere.
>
> Meghan
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
>
>> Hi Meghan. The way you explain the leaving and coming back makes
> sense.
>> You're teaching a very defined skill, unlike with parents who teach
> "how
>> to be a good person" which is very different. In your situation,
> you're
>> trying to stop the dog from barking and you reintroduced the situation
>> quickly so the good behavior was reinforced.
>> My problem with the "just leave if the dog acts up" is that it teaches
>> the dog that if it is just tired of working, all it need do is act up.
>> Your explamation sounds like it teaches the correct behavior v. the
>> incorrect one. In fairness, this can be very difficult to keep in
> mind.
>> I'm still not sure why service dogs in training need the rights that
>> guide dog users do. Your thoughts? I guess I don't understand why
> asking
>> for permission and sticking to dog-friendly places wouldn't be enough?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:36 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: EXTERNAL:[nagdu] Puppy raising
>>
>> Hi Meghan.
>> I would be extremely interested to hear more about your puppy-raising
>> experiences.  You have a guide dog, too, don't you?  How does that
> work?
>>
>> Or are you between dogs?Tell us all about your puppy!
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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