[nagdu] being reported to your school

Sat Jul 31 11:49:37 UTC 2010

nope she didn't and no she is not waiting for a new one.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school

> One, it is something I think you should report if it is actually something
> you know to be true. As a grad of the school and a member of nagdu it is
> something I would hope you could effect  cheryl. I would also like to ask 
> if
> you have spoken directly to the person of whom you speak. Perhaps she
> returned the dog and is waiting on a new one or perhaps there is another
> answer here. Lets not speculate but investigate.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:34 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
> my issue is that I know someone who graduated from my school and she 
> doesn't
>
> use her dog at all, she has come to NFB meetings no dog, she has come  to
> state conventions no dog,  haven't even seen dog on bus anymore.  Afraid 
> to
> report her.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
>
> > Marsha,
> >
> > Then, there is the issue that takes the idea of abuse in a slightly
> > different direction in that of it not being a directly physical type, 
> > but
> > the issue of weight.  Is this abuse, mistreatment, neglect?  This does
> > financially cost guide dog agencies, as the turn around time for an
> > individual who does not take carae of their dog is much less and 
> > therefore
> > instead of working it's anticipated years, those are cut short due to 
> > this
> > as the physical strain on these dogs causes much more significant 
> > physical
> > issues thus the greater potential for early retirement.  When these dogs
> > are
> > issued, they are at their ideal weight, and if anyone would suggest that
> > the
> > dog still has growing to do, this would cause some concern.  I believe 
> > we
> > tend to view abuse not to include something such as improper weight
> > management which I do believe needs to be considered in this continuum 
> > of
> > abuse/neglect/mistreatment.
> >
> > JMHO
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Marsha Drenth
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:38 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school
> >
> > This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I have
> > even
> > been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never
> > could,
> > never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do 
> > with
> > guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was
> > wrong.
> > It was completely stupid, and the school told him so.
> >
> > So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get
> > reported.
> > That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should 
> > come
> > and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup.
> >
> > Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right,
> > another
> > will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they consider
> > abuse before reporting anyone.
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
> >
> > Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the dog 
> > is
> > from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example (true 
> > but
> > without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple times to 
> > his
> > guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing his dog.
> > Again
> > he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the school cant do much
> > about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it would help maybe it
> > wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.
> >
> > Jordan and Viola
> >
> >
> >
> > The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> > > Dan and all,
> > >
> > > I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one
> > > person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their
> > > dog."
> > > I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash
> > > correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my dog
> > > a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that food
> > > is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very
> > > irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the
> > > ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I
> > > can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional looking
> > > as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier
> > > if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around flashing
> > > their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the
> > > idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler and
> > > that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation upon
> > > request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.
> > > When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for
> > > themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after
> > > you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the
> > > next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and
> > > acceptable.
> > >
> > > Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their
> > > hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at
> > > filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to
> > > admit that on the vet form.
> > > Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> > > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> > > "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point
> > > out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a
> > > half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
> > > http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
> > > pawpower4me at gmail.com
> > > AIM: Brissysgirl
> > >
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