[nagdu] stopping abuse was : Puppy raising

[Julie J]

I agree that abuse or even perceived misuse does give a bad image to the 
public about blind people and guide dogs.  However I have two problems.
1. I have no way of knowing what everyone on the street thinks of how I work 
with my dog.  Some people will think that I'm abusing my dog because I make 
him work in the rain.  some will think it's abuse because he has to work at 
all.  How am I supposed to figure out whose thinking what and what am I 
supposed to do about it?
2. How does filling out papers to send to the school stop true abuse? 
Because seriously one of two things is going on with abuse.  Either the 
person doesn't perceive what they are doing as abuse or they do and will lie 
about it.  Either way filling out paper reports isn't going to stop it.

I think the answer to abuse is two fold.  first the programs need to screen 
applicants more thoroughly.  Second abusers need to know that the abuse 
isn't going unnoticed.  Saying something to the blind person directly would 
be good and a report to local law enforcement  needs to accompany it.

JMHO
Julie



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising


>I look at it is if we had to fill out reports and it minimized the
> dogs that ended up getting abused, mistreated or whatever it would
> also reflect better on us as dog guide users. We are a minority just
> being blind. Being blind dog guide owners makes us more of a minority.
> So, if someone saw a blind guy abusing his dog or saw a dog that
> wasn't being taken care of, what kind of response do you think that
> person's going to give to the next person who he/she runs across with
> a guide? It's a reputation thing almost as much as it is to protect
> the animals. If we want to keep our rights as dog guide owners, we
> have to show that we can take care of them and not abuse them. One or
> two people abusing their dogs in front of the right individual could
> spell trouble for dog access laws. You guys can disagree as much as
> you wish, any comments are welcome.
>
> On 30/07/2010, Danielle Nicole Larsen <dnlarsen75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> People who shouldn't have dogs are people I believe whoa ren't ready for 
>> the
>> commitment. People who have drug problems. People who are unable to 
>> control
>> their temper. Anyone who'd put a dog in danger.
>> Big brother watching is creepy. Ownership is valuable.
>> But to prevent dogs from being in danger I think it's teh safer choice
>> overall.
>> It would be a sacrifice I'd be willing to make to protect the others.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>>
>>> How are you deciding that "people who shouldn't have dogs" might get 
>>> them
>>> and what constitutes your criteria for who should have a dog?
>>> So, if people who shouldn't have dogs, in quotes, get them, than wasn't 
>>> it
>>> the poor judgment of the school rather than a question of ownership?
>>> I do believe in total unfettered and unrestricted ownership, though I 
>>> see
>>> that I'm in a minority--smile.
>>> Most of us apparently want big brother watching us.
>>>
>>> A yearly vet report won't stop, for example, the people I myself think
>>> shouldn't have dogs, the ones who in my judgment correct the begeezes 
>>> out
>>> of
>>> their dogs.
>>> Or those who are yelling at their dogs, that bugged me more than, say, 
>>> an
>>> uncontrolled dog before I had a dog. Now I have a dog and know things
>>> happen, but I have a mental check list of people I have met who I think
>>> would do the dog and themselves a favor by not having one--smile.
>>>
>>> Remember, that's my judgment, if a training facility doesn't   think
>>> certain
>>> grads should have dogs  then they will need to do better at selecting or
>>> training.
>>> A blind person is still a person.
>>> I love dogs more than I can say, actually, but facts are facts, people
>>> need
>>> to be given consideration, blind people too--smile.
>>> We're not just people who have been granted a dog and therefore must be
>>> watched because the dog is more important than we are and being a blind
>>> person with a guide dog, we might and probably will abuse our dogs..
>>> If the schools are so sure we will abuse our dogs, then think twice 
>>> about
>>> training them for us.
>>>
>>> I personally despise slime balls who abuse their dogs, but will a school
>>> owning our dogs and subjecting us to yearly check  lists stop that?
>>> Evidence suggests that it won't.
>>> The Seeing Eye grants ownership, as I understand, I have not, however, 
>>> got
>>> the impression that more Seeing Eye grads mistreat their dogs than any
>>> other
>>> school's grads.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember not attacking you, just expressing my opinions as you are
>>> expressing yours.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Dan W.
>>>
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