[nagdu] Gender differences WAS harness signs
Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Thu Mar 11 17:56:21 UTC 2010
Maybe they're on their ipods or some other entertainment device. Or
reading.
My husband used to metro into work and he did it so he could read and
zone out. Otherwise there's really no point.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:54 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Gender differences WAS harness signs
I've come across some of those same zombies on city busses. most
people will speak up when I poke my head in to ask what number it is,
but some will not. Even though I can hear that there's someone sitting
there, because they're moving around or whatever, still no response.
Most of the time there's more than one bus sitting at the transit
center so I just move onto the next one until I find the right bus. It
does irk me why someone can sit there and not say anything even though
I may be looking right at them and asking them a direct question.
Sighted people, weird, grin.
Wayne
On 3/11/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
> Hi Tami. I think you're right. I enjoyed reading your
philosophizing.
>
> You left out what I call the commuter zomby, though. Commuter zombies
> don't help, even if I ask for help. "Is this the line for the 168
bus?"
> 20 people, and no answer until I start muttering under my breath. Are
> they waiting for me to make eye contact or something? Not gonna
happen!
> But I think the zombies are a big city phenomenon.
> Or why is it that 5 people will ask me if I need help crossing some
dinky
> street, and at some hairy intersection with loud construction going on
no
> one does? Oh well.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Sometimes being respectful of people who aren't being respectful of
you is
>> the best form of self-defense. Probably because you have to respect
>> yourself first, so that shows. Or somethng. /smile/
>>
>> I can find trouble just fine without going out looking for it...
Kidding!
>> One of the perceptual issues of my own I have finally come to
understand
>> is
>> that people trouble has to come to me, so the sorts of people who are
tha
>> much trouble are suddenly *very* noticeable! Since they're often
standing
>> in my way or impeding my progress somehow or even just being loudly
>> obnoxious -- or, heaven forbid, grabbing my arm or my cane or my dog
-- I
>> have no choice but to notice them and allow them to take up a portion
of
>> my
>> concentration and attention. So it used to seem like they were all
over
>> the
>> place! Then I would add things up and realize that a little incident
here
>> and there, with maybe a bigger Incident with a capital "I" thrown in
for
>> kicks, seemed like it was happening everywhere all the time, even
when it
>> really wasn't. So I started adding up the "normal" interactions with
>> people
>> in my head. Ah! Fewer than 1 percent of the people I interact with
in my
>> daily life and travels over time cause problems. Another small
percentage
>> is mildly annoying. That still leaves more than 95 percent of people
--
>> probably more like more than 98 percent -- who just go about doing
what
>> people do whether I'm there or not. On the other side of the scale,
a
>> certain percentage is really great in their interactions, which is
how I
>> expect people I interact with to be. /grin/
>>
>> Since I don't see people who are simply minding their own business
and
>> letting me mind mine, I forget they're there unless I think about it.
I'm
>> more aware of them through sound and my other senses now that I'm
much
>> more
>> adapted to blindness, but I still try to remind myself to remember
their
>> presence if I'm feeling frustrated or bothered by the jerks.
>>
>> Another thing I realized, once I stopped worrying so much about it
all --
>> which took some time, I admit -- is that walking everywhere in a city
of
>> avid, cheerfully pedestrians, provides me with tons of human
interaction I
>> wouldn't have driving my car (I still have dreams about driving!).
At
>> first, this seemed to be too much, even though I truly adore people
in
>> general. Feeling self-consciously about the long white cane in my
hands
>> and
>> worrying about tapping people's heels and whatever, whatever, I would
have
>> this constant feeling I was being watched... And I couldn't watch
them
>> back! Oh, no! /lol/
>>
>> I don't think we can get away from cultural attitudes toward gender,
and
>> human responses to masculinity vs. femininity seem to be pretty well
>> hard-wired, since that's what keeps us making more humans. /smile/
The
>> vulnerable, feminine woman (perceived that way, anyhow) inspires
people to
>> come to her rescue whether she needs it or not, just by walking by.
They
>> probably don't even noticed they're being inspired any more than
she's
>> doing
>> anything active to inspire them, because it's just instinct.
>>
>> Then you have the snotty, obnoxious, tomboy types like me, and people
>> don't
>> consider leaping to my rescue. Which means, of course, that people
who do
>> decide to "help" me generally seem to be more interested in
controlling me
>> or some such than in assisting. So I get real mad. /grin/
>>
>> Okay, now I'm just procrastinating and waxing philosophical. It is
an
>> interesting topic, though.
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>> Of Linda Gwizdak
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:24 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Gender differences WAS harness signs
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think gender is a consideration on how people react to us as blind
>> people.
>>
>> If you are a large, masculine person, people will respond to you
>> differently
>>
>> than if you a a small, feminine person.
>>
>> As a masculine person, I won't be "protected" from harm and I don't
get
>> bothered by people too much - I'm also an Orange Belt in Soo Bahk Do
and
>> use
>>
>> the techniques to stop a problem in its tracks. I am very loud when
I
>> want
>> to be! (grin!) I find that little, feminine people get people
running to
>> assist them and "protect" them when trouble comes their way.
Howwever, I
>> don't go looking for trouble and I try to be respectful of all
people.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Gender differences WAS harness signs
>>
>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> It's hard to say, really, if it's because I'm a woman who is blind
or
>>> just
>>> because I'm blind. Maybe it would be more accurate to say the
gender
>>> perception is on my part? And it could have more to do with size
and
>>> build
>>> than with how body parts are organized. /smile/ When my physical
space
>>> is
>>> violated -- and that now extends to my dog -- I guess there's part
of me
>>> that would like to be big and brawny enough to have the option of
>>> knocking
>>> the offender down. /rin/ Moreso, there have been a few times I've
>>> realized
>>> they were likely to knock me down because they were doing the big
bad
>>> bully
>>> thing, clearly seeing a blind person as easy prey. It hasn't ever
gone
>>> that
>>> far, outside of the living skills program, but I do not like feeling
>>> vulnerable that way!
>>>
>>> I'm also probably a lot more anxious when I perceive even a possible
>>> physical threat because I was assaulted there, and I am still having
to
>>> pay
>>> for treatment for injuries from more than one staff person. So I'm
sure
>>> I
>>> have more of a tendency to wonder if someone acting hinky is going
to
>>> "get"
>>> me and wonder if I need to be prepared to "get" them first or if I
can
>>> "get"
>>> them to not "get" me, or whatever. It's not a way I am accustomed
to
>>> thinking or feeling, and it's not really all that dramatic and
strong,
>>> just
>>> uncomfortable.
>>>
>>> I do associate those feelings with growing up in a place where women
>>> would
>>> be doing great to move up to second class citizen. Now that I'm
back in
>>> the
>>> ranks of the insignificant, not "real" people, I do sometimes feel
>>> there's
>>
>>> a
>>> gender bias involved where they may not really be. Huh...
>>>
>>> Either way, the regular encounters with boneheads, bozos and jerks
need
>>> to
>>> be dealt with constructively, even if that just means getting them
out
>>> of
>>> your way so you can continue down the sidewalk. /smile/ Whatever
>>> motivated
>>> a person to do something negative or even harmful or dangerous is
not
>>> what's
>>> important.
>>>
>>> Learning to deal with the negative emotions that I experience as a
>>> result
>>> is
>>> difficult, but that's another of those things we each have to learn
to
>>> deal
>>> with in our own way. /smile/
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:57 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Gender differences WAS harness signs
>>>
>>> Tami, are you sure you're getting the helpless idiot treatment
because
>>> you're a woman? I get it too, and it drives me buggy, but my
husband is
>>> losing his sight, and one of the things he hates about it is that so
>>> many
>>> people treat him like a helpless idiot. I don't know how to help
him
>>> deal
>>> with it, either. There is the old snappy comeback "only my wife
calls
>>> me
>>> sweetie" for instance, but it's hard to have the snappy comeback
when
>>> you
>>> need it.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, the gender difference drives me batty sometimes. Well, quite a
bit
>>>> of
>>>> the time. /grin/ I prefer using direct, clear communication to
convey
>>>> and
>>>> receive thoughts and ideas. But, no, I've developed this extensive
>>>> repertoire of indirect, even -- I daresay! -- passive aggressive,
means
>>>> of
>>>> convincing people to just stay out of my way and let me go about my
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>> It has been very hard to get used to, as has being treated like I'm
>>>> insignificant and helpless and, well, you know a l'il lady. Ugh!
I
>>>> don't
>>>> notice it so much now that I've had plenty of exposure, but at
first it
>>>> just
>>>> got me all hot and bothered.
>>>>
>>>> The awareness that li'l ol' me and my funny poodle dog represent
blind
>>>> people and guide dog users the world over also makes dealing with
the
>>>> everyday space invasions, disruptions, obstructions, etc., more
>>>> stressful.
>>>> It also makes coming up with a response I can live with difficult.
I
>>>> guess
>>>> I've adapted enough to have all those schticks and spiels and
whatever
>>>> to
>>>> keep it down to a bearable level, and I'm used to it enough that I
>>>> don't
>>>> even notice it sometimes, or at least I accept it as part of
walking
>>>> around
>>>> doing my thing. Especially when I have to take the bus or the
train to
>>>> do
>>>> my thing! I love having the bus and train, and I love riding them
and
>>>> listening to the people around me because I am an inveterate people
>>>> watcher.
>>>>
>>>> I just prefer the people to stay out of my space and mind their own
>>>> business! /lol/
>>>>
>>>> I've also decided to go ahead and be effing rude when someone
crosses
>>>> the
>>>> line and a civil response doesn't work to get them back onto their
own
>>>> side.
>>>> If onlookers want to think that blind people are inherently
obnoxious
>>>> because of it, oh, well! If they're close enough to observe my
>>>> response/reaction, they're close enough to see what provoked it. I
>>>> can't
>>>> help it if they have no judgment of their own!
>>>>
>>>> Every now and then when I start yapping on about some of these
things
>>>> we
>>>> li'l blind ladies have to put up with -- either something I heard
about
>>>> or
>>>> something that happened to me -- to DD, he gets all manly and
>>>> belligerent.
>>>> "I just don't have patience for that sort of thing," he will say
>>>> darkly.
>>>> "I'll only put up with it so long. Then I'll cold cock 'em!"
>>>>
>>>> Ah, to be a big, tall, strapping fella! /grin/ In theory, that
>>>> simple,
>>>> straightforward, direct solution to the problem sounds much too
>>>> tempting.
>>>> Then I remember that I don't have the physique for it anyway, so I
>>>> couldn't
>>>> really make it work. Which is probably why I can cheerfully admit
to
>>>> letting my brain carry on with images of cane whacking someone
about
>>>> the
>>>> head and shoulders while my good sense searches for a practical
>>>> response.
>>>> /evil grin/ The mental image is very, very satisfying to my inner,
uh,
>>>> whatever you want to call it; also, the imaginary cane is much more
>>>> substantial and impressive a weapon than the light things I
actually
>>>> carry
>>>> in my back pocket or purse. Unfortunately, actually following
through
>>>> on
>>>> the image would just make me look really, really, foolish and,
>>>> honestly,
>>>> completely nutty. /grin/
>>>>
>>>> Not that DD goes around knocking down people who annoy him! Which
is a
>>>> good
>>>> thing for me. /grin/ Still, he does have the option of looking
stern
>>>> and
>>>> puffing up the muscles just a bit to remind people he can if he
wants
>>>> to.
>>>> I
>>>> try that on, and it just gets me more grief. That posturing is
>>>> something
>>>> I
>>>> do when ribbing with my buds to make them laugh. /lol/
>>>>
>>>> Stepping between someone and my dog is something I do, too, but
then
>>>> I'm
>>>> face to face with some fool who doesn't respect me. It will
suddenly
>>>> occur
>>>> to me that this may not turn out well for me if the person's
aggression
>>>> turns physical. Apparently, my years growing up as a skinny,
shirley
>>>> temple
>>>> clone of a brainy girl taught me something, because in my youth
>>>> actually
>>>> pulled that sort of thing off with violently mentally unstable (too
>>>> much
>>>> of
>>>> that inbred population!) men who were working up to an assault on
one
>>>> or
>>>> another of my friends. There I would suddenly be, nose-to-nose
with
>>>> someone
>>>> much bigger than me bent on irrational violence... Oops! But they
>>>> always
>>>> backed down in the end. Huh. Then I grew up and moved away and
didn't
>>>> have
>>>> to use that strange little skill until I started going about being
all
>>>> blind
>>>> and stuff...
>>>>
>>>> Then again, I've been paying a lot for physical therapy for attacks
>>>> from
>>>> behind from people who were being paid to help me. So now I have
this
>>>> sense
>>>> of vulnerability that I really hate. I've also learned some
techniques
>>>> to
>>>> adapt my cowgirl physical self-defense skills to use on humans.
>>>> Haven't
>>>> had
>>>> to use that, but wish I had gone with my gut when the attacks
occurred!
>>>> I
>>>> had not previously been subject to physical violence in my adult
life,
>>>> so
>>>> just wasn't expecting it, tried to remain calm and use passive
>>>> self-defense
>>>> unstil I could deal with it in a civilized manner... Oh. Bad move
on
>>>> my
>>>> part. We blind people are, like or not, fair game. Those people
who
>>>> inflicted the injuries I continue to recover from -- and that
others
>>>> are
>>>> paying to recover from -- still have jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of learning things the hard way! Be careful what you type
>>>> when
>>>> you're using JAWS and have dogs around. /lol/ I took a little
break
>>>> and
>>>> was
>>>> putzing in the kitchen, bent over to pick up something I had
dropped
>>>> just
>>>> as
>>>> Daisy hound decided to dash in front of me... Taking a coonhound
skull
>>>> ridge to the orbital bone didn't quite cold cock me, but I have
felt a
>>>> little strange for the past few minutes. Apparently, she is more
>>>> hard-headed than I am. /grin/
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeanette Beal
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:58 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harness signs
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering how much of the interaction between public and dog is
>>>> gender-based to the handler? As a woman, I know that I'm interacted
>>>> with
>>>> on
>>>> a slightly different level than men - called 'little lady' by
>>>> many-a-older-guy on public transit, etc. I know there was a study
done
>>>> recently (um, 20/20 special so not really a study) with a blind man
& a
>>>> blind woman trying to buy pastries in a shop and the woman was
actually
>>>> stood up for/defended more readily by an incredulous public than
the
>>>> man.
>>>> Is
>>>> this because women are inherently viewed as inferior and in need of
>>>> protection? Probably.
>>>> So when a female handler walks around with her dog is it much
easier
>>>> to
>>>> disregard her and interact with her dog? Perhaps. I've had men spit
in
>>>> my
>>>> face because I told them to leave my dog alone. Granted he spit in
my
>>>> face
>>>> after he started petting my dog and I said no and he said F-off and
I
>>>> said
>>>> oh really? And stepped between dog & dude and dude then pushed at
me so
>>>> I
>>>> slapped him in the face and he spit on me and then....ran away. But
the
>>>> main
>>>> point was I said no and he said "so?" and continued his bad
behavior.
>>>> I have a hard time with this subject. It's so rooted in my need for
>>>> safety
>>>> in public as a woman - using public transit and getting groped by a
>>>> dude
>>>> behind or next to me feels as dirty and disgusting as unauthorized
>>>> petting
>>>> of my dog by a stranger. So how do I reconcile my need for safety
and
>>>> autonomy with the day-to-day hassles all handlers have in public?
>>>> I do so by not allowing people to pet my dog. By demanding that I
be
>>>> asked
>>>> first. By expecting my answer to be respected - if I say no it
means
>>>> no.
>>>> This goes for my body as much as my dog's. And unfortunately the
>>>> waiting
>>>> public takes away that I'm a rude, withholding human. But my safety
is
>>>> more
>>>> important than public image.
>>>> Unfortunately we aren't in a vacuum and all blind people speak for
all
>>>> blind
>>>> people in front of AB folks. So when someone lets the public pet
their
>>>> dog
>>>> in harness they send a message that I will to. And when I say no
and am
>>>> assumed rude I send a message that all blind people are rude.
>>>> It's a crappy inter-connected all-disabled-folk-are-the-same world.
>>>> Jeanette
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Albert J Rizzi
>>>> <albert at myblindspot.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> now there is the honest one in the group. I must confess that I
too
>>>>> enjoy
>>>>> it
>>>>> when people take notice of my handsome lad. I do stop to let him
take
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> praise at times, though I always take his harness off. Now before
you
>>>>> all
>>>>> go
>>>>> mad about that, it is a conscious decision I make and am willing
to
>>>>> make
>>>>> for
>>>>> my dog and all the good work he does, I feel that if time allotted
>>>>> when
>>>>> I
>>>>> take the harness off it reinforces the work thing and out of work
>>>>> thing
>>>> for
>>>>> the dog. It also embarrasses the petting offender and they always
>>>>> insist
>>>> I
>>>>> not go to any great lengths, which always allows for a honest and
open
>>>>> I
>>>>> really should bet t my meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
one
>>>>> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harness signs
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm... Maybe someone should make a project out of finding a
mutt-ugly
>>>>> scurvy cur, slappying a guide dog harness on it and heading out
into
>>>> public
>>>>> to see what happens? /grin/ I've thought of designing a special
>>>>> poodle
>>>>> cut
>>>>> to uglify Mitzi... I could have the groomer do her all lopsided
and
>>>>> patch
>>>>> and stuff, then put odd dye patches on her here and there...
>>>>>
>>>>> Whaddaya think? Should I go for it? /grin/
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe someone could invent a spray, like that stuff that is
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep pets away from certain areas. In fact, isn't it called "Pet
>>>>> Away?"
>>>> or
>>>>> stomething? Maybe if we sprayed are dogs with anti-human
pheromones
>>>>> we
>>>>> could go about our business in peace? /lol/
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, so my dirty little secret is that I've sort of gotten to
enjoy
>>>>> the
>>>>> attention my poodle gets, now that we've learned to deal and move
on.
>>>>> Unless she's in hussy mode, in which case, I just have to deal
until I
>>>>> can
>>>>> make a graceful exit or haul out the jaws of life to separate her
from
>>>>> the
>>>>> bestest friend ever she just made. /smile/ I figure I can
embarrass
>>>>> myself
>>>>> enough that I may as well let the dog find ways to embarrass me so
>>>>> long
>>>>> as
>>>>> it makes everybody happy... Sigh. Maybe it has something to do
with
>>>>> living
>>>>> in Portland? Part of me remembers the place as the oversized
redneck
>>>>> town
>>>>> of my youth; it's fun talking to long-time resident cabbies who
>>>>> remember
>>>> it
>>>>> the same way. But in the past (I will not admit how many) years,
it's
>>>>> grown
>>>>> and changed along and now it's sort of... Funky? Funny? Kind of
>>>>> getting
>>>> to
>>>>> be cosmopolitan but with a super progressive political bent and a
>>>>> strong
>>>>> flavor of small-town friendliness. It can make going out and
about a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> fun, in a funy, weird way.
>>>>>
>>>>> So long as one remembers to take into account the growing number
of
>>>>> homeless
>>>>> people with dogs of uncertain temperament downtown... That
population
>>>>> has
>>>>> grown over the past few years, and while the scary dogs we've
passed
>>>>> have
>>>>> been kept under control by their ragged and dirty humans, it seems
to
>>>>> take
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot of effort from the human to keep the dog from going for my
sweet
>>>>> precious. Yikes! Still, with the housing situation here, as in
so
>>>>> many
>>>>> places, it's to be expected. Sigh. Otherwise, though, Portland
is a
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> cool place.
>>>>>
>>>>> You just don't stand a prayer of going more than five steps
without
>>>> someone
>>>>> saying something about your dog. /grin/
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Albert J Rizzi
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harness signs
>>>>>
>>>>> What if we all got the ugliest dogs imaginable? Do you think that
>>>>> would
>>>> cut
>>>>> down on the petting distractions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
one
>>>>> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Marsha Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harness signs
>>>>>
>>>>> Now here is where I have seen a improvement. My husband purchased
me a
>>>> sign
>>>>> for my pup for the harness for Christmas, and she has been wearing
it
>>>>> since.
>>>>> Granted not all that long. But I have had only one person try to
pet
>>>>> my
>>>> pup
>>>>> since. I don't think this person could read, and most likely had
other
>>>>> disabilities. Before, I had so many people try to pet her. I was
>>>>> trying
>>>> and
>>>>> just dreaded going places because of the number of people who
wanted
>>>>> to
>>>> pet
>>>>> her. So in my situation, the sign has definetly worked wonders!
>>>>>
>>>>> JMO
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:43 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harness signs was guide dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the signs make any difference anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a sign on Monty's harness that says "Please don't pet me
I'm
>>>>> working". For folks who have difficulty with words there is also
a
>>>> picture
>>>>> of a hand reaching to pet a dog with a giant red slash through it.
>>>>> You'd
>>>>> think people would get the hint, but they don't. I have noticed
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> no difference in the amount of petafiles since I started with the
>>>>> sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just today I had some guy reach out to pet Monty just as we're
getting
>>>>> ready
>>>>>
>>>>> to cross the street of all things. He explained that he had been
>>>>> petting
>>>>> the dog in training on the college campus earlier. As if that
made it
>>>> okay
>>>>> or something. Torks me. But Monty got my revenge, he backed up
and
>>>>> gave
>>>>> the death ray eyeball look. LOL Go Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Meghan" <meghan at n-republic.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
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>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs
>>>>>
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>>>>> > No, they don't give you a sign for the harness, but you get
cards
>>>>> that
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> > can hand out.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > They make it clear that they discourage petting, but they advise
you
>>>>> on
>>>>> > how to approach it if you are going to allow it, too.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hope that helps,
>>>>> > Meghan
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Jennifer L Finley" <jenniferfinley at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
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>>>>> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:28 PM
>>>>> > Subject: [nagdu] guide dogs
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>>>>> >> Does the seeing eye have the please don't pet me signs? Do
they
>>>>> use
>>>>> >> anything to let the public know to not pet the dog?
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