[nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

Mon May 3 00:43:59 UTC 2010

Maybe you could put an ad in the paper that you were looking for a volunteer 
to help you.  In the ad, you would not need to give many details, as you 
could give more details after talking to the person and kind of getting an 
idea of whether or not he/she would be a good candidate.  What specifically 
would you need help with?  Based on what you said in your previous emails, 
is there anyone who you already know who would be willing to take you and 
your trainee on outings just for getting the dog out and about?  How old is 
the dog?  Is he/she ready to start the guide work, or are you still working 
on the basics?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

>I have no idea nor how to find out.
>
> On 5/2/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Just an idea, but are there any groups locally--scouts, Honor Society,
>> etc--that have teenagers that may be able to help you in some way?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>>
>>
>>> Go for it. For me so far the costs have been shipping for the dog,
>>> equipment, food, soon I will be paying vet care, training, etc. I was
>>> just asking for a little help whether it be money or time, even if
>>> they'd just help us go for walks, take us places for soialization etc.
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>> On 5/2/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, first we have someone who understands some of what goes into some
>>>> people's choices  in their options for mobility. We also have another
>>>> misinformed individual who knows nothing of the handlers who prefer to
>>>> owner
>>>> train their dogs. We also have a person who has a strong affiliation 
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> school that the Lion's Club committed raises funds for. So, perhaps 
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> an opportunity to educate miss rosemary on the fact that some people 
>>>> are
>>>> very adept at training their dogs and that as a president of a chapter
>>>> she
>>>> needs to be better informed before she offers advice or as I have
>>>> interpreted the tone, condemnation for those who choose to owner train. 
>>>> I
>>>> would be happy to suggest forwarding this email to our lion's list 
>>>> serve
>>>> and
>>>> ask them their opinion, and I would even offer to write her, for I 
>>>> myself
>>>>
>>>> am
>>>> a lion and would welcome the opportunity of opening her eyes to the
>>>> truths
>>>> about guides and options with everything that is Lionism. She is just
>>>> unaware and ignorant of what is possible in this regard, and may
>>>> obviously
>>>> be getting her skewed  opinion  from the organization  which she and 
>>>> her
>>>> club give so much money to and get so much publicity from for doing so.
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jessica Pitzer
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:53 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> following is an email I received in response to an email I sent to my
>>>> local lions club about asking for help with some of the costs of owner
>>>> training. I'm.. not quite sure how to feel right now except baffled as
>>>> we have some many owner trainers and I just embarked on this journey
>>>> myself.
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> On 5/2/10, Rosemary Richert <rosemary at richertnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is highly unusual, and questionably irresponsible, for someone to
>>>>> train
>>>>> their own guide dog.  The state only recognizes service animals which
>>>>> have
>>>>> been professionally trained.  Any other such dogs may be banned from
>>>> places
>>>>> which would otherwise allow access to service animals.  Necessary
>>>>> training
>>>>> of the dog is very comprehensive and time consuming.  And, 
>>>>> subsequently,
>>>>> training of the blind person with the dog is, also, very comprehensive
>>>>> and
>>>>> time consuming.  For the person's training, alone, three weeks of
>>>>> on-site
>>>>> training with the animal determined best suited to their needs is
>>>> required.
>>>>> The blind person needs to prove their orientation and mobility skills
>>>> before
>>>>> even being accepted into a training program.  Without proof of the
>>>> adequacy
>>>>> of those skills, they will not be accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I served on the Board of Directors of Leader Dogs for the Blind for 
>>>>> four
>>>>> years, and am the person who convinced the facility to become trainers
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind/deaf community...to the best of my knowledge, it remains the
>>>> only
>>>>> facility with qualified instructors of deaf/blind individuals.  I tell
>>>>> you
>>>>> this, so that you may understand that I have a credible background in
>>>> these
>>>>> matters, and know whereof I speak.  I would strongly caution your 
>>>>> Lions
>>>>> club, or any other Lions club, about considering involvement with a
>>>>> person
>>>>> who thinks they can train a guide dog for the blind on their own.
>>>>> Involvement under such circumstances could come back to haunt an
>>>>> otherwise
>>>>> well-meaning club.  It would make much more sense for this person to 
>>>>> be
>>>>> screened as to qualifications; and, if qualified, be sponsored to a
>>>>> recognized service do training program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your kind consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> God bless.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With Lionism at Heart, C
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PDG Rosemary
>>>>
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