[nagdu] Puppy Raising (was) Re: SELF TRAINING

Mon May 3 11:40:39 UTC 2010

No, puppies in training do not have the same right to accompany their 
disabled handler as a fully trained service dog.

You would need to consult your state laws to see what is what in your state. 
The ADA doesn't discuss dogs in training at all.

Even if your state laws do not address service dogs in training you can 
still take the puppy into businesses after asking permission to do so.  In 
this case places that serve food or provide health care would not be 
available.  There are lots and lots of places to take puppies and young dogs 
that are pet friendly.
parks, I love to take young dogs on the toys to build confidence
bus stops
outside grocery stores, or any store
friends homes
pet stores
veterinarians offices
groomers

Two things I think are *very* important.  Start small and build up.  It is 
easy to overwhelm a young puppy with too many experiences too soon.  Small 
consistent successes are IMO the way to go.  Second, please don't take a 
puppy into a business who isn't 100% reliably house broken.

Best of luck!
Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Puppy Raising (was) Re: SELF TRAINING

> Here is the link to the puppy page of the GDB website.
> http://www.guidedogs.com/site/PageServer?pagename=programs_dog_puppy
> In a nut shell, the puppies learn basic obedience and get socialized. 
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that they have the same access as 
> working dogs.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:08 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] SELF TRAINING
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> First of all I want to say that I know very little about self-trained
>> dogs.  I am working with my third dog from The Seeing Eye and have
>> often wondered just what took place during the puppy raising.
>>
>> I would like to ask you all this question.  Do you feel that it is
>> important to not only train your own dog but also do your own puppy
>> raising?
>>
>> On 5/2/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>> Well, first we have someone who understands some of what goes into some
>>> people's choices  in their options for mobility. We also have another
>>> misinformed individual who knows nothing of the handlers who prefer to 
>>> owner
>>> train their dogs. We also have a person who has a strong affiliation 
>>> with a
>>> school that the Lion's Club committed raises funds for. So, perhaps 
>>> there is
>>> an opportunity to educate miss rosemary on the fact that some people are
>>> very adept at training their dogs and that as a president of a chapter 
>>> she
>>> needs to be better informed before she offers advice or as I have
>>> interpreted the tone, condemnation for those who choose to owner train. 
>>> I
>>> would be happy to suggest forwarding this email to our lion's list serve 
>>> and
>>> ask them their opinion, and I would even offer to write her, for I 
>>> myself am
>>> a lion and would welcome the opportunity of opening her eyes to the 
>>> truths
>>> about guides and options with everything that is Lionism. She is just
>>> unaware and ignorant of what is possible in this regard, and may 
>>> obviously
>>> be getting her skewed  opinion  from the organization  which she and her
>>> club give so much money to and get so much publicity from for doing so.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jessica Pitzer
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:53 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> following is an email I received in response to an email I sent to my
>>> local lions club about asking for help with some of the costs of owner
>>> training. I'm.. not quite sure how to feel right now except baffled as
>>> we have some many owner trainers and I just embarked on this journey
>>> myself.
>>> Thoughts?
>>> On 5/2/10, Rosemary Richert <rosemary at richertnet.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>
>>>> It is highly unusual, and questionably irresponsible, for someone to 
>>>> train
>>>> their own guide dog.  The state only recognizes service animals which 
>>>> have
>>>> been professionally trained.  Any other such dogs may be banned from
>>> places
>>>> which would otherwise allow access to service animals.  Necessary 
>>>> training
>>>> of the dog is very comprehensive and time consuming.  And, 
>>>> subsequently,
>>>> training of the blind person with the dog is, also, very comprehensive 
>>>> and
>>>> time consuming.  For the person's training, alone, three weeks of 
>>>> on-site
>>>> training with the animal determined best suited to their needs is
>>> required.
>>>> The blind person needs to prove their orientation and mobility skills
>>> before
>>>> even being accepted into a training program.  Without proof of the
>>> adequacy
>>>> of those skills, they will not be accepted.
>>>>
>>>> I served on the Board of Directors of Leader Dogs for the Blind for 
>>>> four
>>>> years, and am the person who convinced the facility to become trainers 
>>>> for
>>>> the blind/deaf community...to the best of my knowledge, it remains the
>>> only
>>>> facility with qualified instructors of deaf/blind individuals.  I tell 
>>>> you
>>>> this, so that you may understand that I have a credible background in
>>> these
>>>> matters, and know whereof I speak.  I would strongly caution your Lions
>>>> club, or any other Lions club, about considering involvement with a 
>>>> person
>>>> who thinks they can train a guide dog for the blind on their own.
>>>> Involvement under such circumstances could come back to haunt an 
>>>> otherwise
>>>> well-meaning club.  It would make much more sense for this person to be
>>>> screened as to qualifications; and, if qualified, be sponsored to a
>>>> recognized service do training program.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your kind consideration.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> God bless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With Lionism at Heart, C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PDG Rosemary
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Cheryl in Mexico
>> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
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