[nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Mon May 3 12:19:37 UTC 2010 

Doesn't seem harsh to me; seems practical.  Owner training is hard, I
think.  If it were easy, a lot more people would do it.
Tracy


> Jessica,
>
> I want you to understand that I only want the best for you and that I will
> help you out in any way that I can.
>
> You have to be your best advocate.  That is just as important as the
> training of your puppy.  When you choose to owner train its all you all
> the
> time.  The people on this list, including me, can't be there to walk you
> through the challenges that will come.  We will offer support,
> encouragement, training ideas, even help with access challenge issues, but
> in the end it is you that must do the hard work.
>
> If you feel that the Boy Scouts or high school volunteers would be helpful
> make some phone calls and make those connections.  I don't want to come
> across as harsh or uncaring and I think I'm doing just that, but I cannot
> stress enough that owner training is much, much more than just training a
> dog.  It will stretch you in ways you never dreamt of.
>
> All my best,
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>
>
>>I have no idea nor how to find out.
>>
>> On 5/2/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Just an idea, but are there any groups locally--scouts, Honor Society,
>>> etc--that have teenagers that may be able to help you in some way?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Go for it. For me so far the costs have been shipping for the dog,
>>>> equipment, food, soon I will be paying vet care, training, etc. I was
>>>> just asking for a little help whether it be money or time, even if
>>>> they'd just help us go for walks, take us places for soialization etc.
>>>> Jessica
>>>>
>>>> On 5/2/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well, first we have someone who understands some of what goes into
>>>>> some
>>>>> people's choices  in their options for mobility. We also have another
>>>>> misinformed individual who knows nothing of the handlers who prefer
>>>>> to
>>>>> owner
>>>>> train their dogs. We also have a person who has a strong affiliation
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> school that the Lion's Club committed raises funds for. So, perhaps
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> an opportunity to educate miss rosemary on the fact that some people
>>>>> are
>>>>> very adept at training their dogs and that as a president of a
>>>>> chapter
>>>>> she
>>>>> needs to be better informed before she offers advice or as I have
>>>>> interpreted the tone, condemnation for those who choose to owner
>>>>> train.
>>>>> I
>>>>> would be happy to suggest forwarding this email to our lion's list
>>>>> serve
>>>>> and
>>>>> ask them their opinion, and I would even offer to write her, for I
>>>>> myself
>>>>>
>>>>> am
>>>>> a lion and would welcome the opportunity of opening her eyes to the
>>>>> truths
>>>>> about guides and options with everything that is Lionism. She is just
>>>>> unaware and ignorant of what is possible in this regard, and may
>>>>> obviously
>>>>> be getting her skewed  opinion  from the organization  which she and
>>>>> her
>>>>> club give so much money to and get so much publicity from for doing
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>>>>> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jessica Pitzer
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:53 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> following is an email I received in response to an email I sent to my
>>>>> local lions club about asking for help with some of the costs of
>>>>> owner
>>>>> training. I'm.. not quite sure how to feel right now except baffled
>>>>> as
>>>>> we have some many owner trainers and I just embarked on this journey
>>>>> myself.
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> On 5/2/10, Rosemary Richert <rosemary at richertnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is highly unusual, and questionably irresponsible, for someone to
>>>>>> train
>>>>>> their own guide dog.  The state only recognizes service animals
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been professionally trained.  Any other such dogs may be banned from
>>>>> places
>>>>>> which would otherwise allow access to service animals.  Necessary
>>>>>> training
>>>>>> of the dog is very comprehensive and time consuming.  And,
>>>>>> subsequently,
>>>>>> training of the blind person with the dog is, also, very
>>>>>> comprehensive
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> time consuming.  For the person's training, alone, three weeks of
>>>>>> on-site
>>>>>> training with the animal determined best suited to their needs is
>>>>> required.
>>>>>> The blind person needs to prove their orientation and mobility
>>>>>> skills
>>>>> before
>>>>>> even being accepted into a training program.  Without proof of the
>>>>> adequacy
>>>>>> of those skills, they will not be accepted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I served on the Board of Directors of Leader Dogs for the Blind for
>>>>>> four
>>>>>> years, and am the person who convinced the facility to become
>>>>>> trainers
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the blind/deaf community...to the best of my knowledge, it remains
>>>>>> the
>>>>> only
>>>>>> facility with qualified instructors of deaf/blind individuals.  I
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> this, so that you may understand that I have a credible background
>>>>>> in
>>>>> these
>>>>>> matters, and know whereof I speak.  I would strongly caution your
>>>>>> Lions
>>>>>> club, or any other Lions club, about considering involvement with a
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> who thinks they can train a guide dog for the blind on their own.
>>>>>> Involvement under such circumstances could come back to haunt an
>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> well-meaning club.  It would make much more sense for this person to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> screened as to qualifications; and, if qualified, be sponsored to a
>>>>>> recognized service do training program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your kind consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God bless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Lionism at Heart, C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PDG Rosemary
>>>>>
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