[nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Cathryn Bonnette
cathrynisfinally at verizon.net
Sat Nov 20 20:09:57 UTC 2010
Hi Ginger,
Thanks for the clarification. We'll be ready for the same ole thing then!
Blessings,
Cathryn (& Abby)
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ginger Kutsch
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:32 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Dear Cathryn,
The TSA will not allow people traveling with service animals to
use the Whole Body Imaging machines.
If you have a service animal, you must use the metal detector as
you have in the past. You do not have a choice.
Best,
Ginger
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:22 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Hi Gary,
Since I posted someone else pointed out that we won't be able to
leave the dogs on a leash due to the full scanner. That means we
need to work with them to sit/stay even off leash. I've started
reinforcing that already with Abby so we will be ready. It seems
to me to be a gradual change to add into normal obedience. I was
using a short stay command with a long leash, so now I just
unclip the leash and step away as though the leash was still in
place, use the hand gesture, step back to my dog, and praise her
like crazy for doing such a great job of staying. When we fly
next, she'll be prepared to sit/stay for a short time while I
step through a scanner, then come to me when I call her even
though there is no restraining leash.
Well, that is my plan. Interested in your thoughts as well.
Blessings,
Cathryn (& Abby)
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:27 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Hi:
I just flew with Bogart a couple of weeks ago. Considering that
my only other flight was back from guide school we did great.
Okay, I'll be honest.
I was actually surprised about how good Bogart was. We don't work
on staying as much as we should but I got him to the portal (as
someone called it), got him to sit and told him to stay while I
walked through the metal detector.
Once done, with no beeping, I called him and he came right to me.
So this helps me realize how important it is to work on our
common commands to keep him strong at them.
At xmas I'll be flying to one of the airports where the body
scanners are being testede in canada so we'll see if that is any
differnt.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathryn Bonnette <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:47 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Hi Mike and All -
>
> Can't resist chiming in here. True, you don't choose how they
proceed,
> but you definitely have influence. Are these TSA agents looking
for
> ways to hassle blind people? Generally no. Also, they have a
job to
> do, and they are busy. Is there a reason you cannot trust your
dog to
> sit and stay on command for the short time it takes you to walk
> through a scanner? If your answer is "yes", it is time to go
back to
> the daily obedience 101 that most training programs suggest
because
> SIT and Stay are very basic commands your dog should perform
despite
> distractions. Your task is to hold the long leash low so it
doesn't
> set off the alarm as you walk through without your dog. As
many of
> you have already enjoyed sharing, our dogs absolutely love
those
> patdowns, and want more of them! Besides conducting
> ourselves as adult
> professionals who know what we're doing, That is another great
way to
> connect with the agents who otherwise are having a stressful,
or
> boring day depending on the alert level.
> It doesn't have to be traumatic- it can be a way to show off.
> What do you
> think?
>
> Cathryn (& Abby, also a lover of patdowns)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> You may not have the choice. They decide how to examine you.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> I would not use the scanner. I trust my dog but want to be
where he
> can see
>
> me and I can speak to him.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> Margo is correct in that holding a long leash may not set off
the
> traditional detector so long as the leash stays below the
scanning
> element.
> It will NOT work with the full body scanner system. If you are
chosen
> for a more detailed scan and can either use the body scanner or
are
> subjected to a more rigorous patdown, you could only use the
body
> scanner if you trust your dog to stay while you independently
go into
> the scanner.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:23 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Cathryn, that will work for metal detectors but probably not
for the
> full body scans--that's a different thing.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> > All:
> >
> > One approach is to put your guide on a long leash sitting at
> the beginning
> > of the walk thru metal detector/scanner. After you walk
> through without
> > your
> > dog holding the leash, you give the "Come" command to
> demonstrate that you
> > alone did not set off the detector, and that the dog harness
> does. Then
> > one
> > of the transit authority staff will wand the dog or pat
> him/her down while
> > you stay close and keep your hands on the dog. Done deal. It
> is fairly
> > simple, and shouldn't change that much with full scanners.
> > At least that is my experience.
> >
> > Cathryn (& Abby)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:48 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> >
> > Don't only selected victims, I mean, passengers, get the
full-body
> > radiation treatment? Maybe you won't get picked.
> > Tracy
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with
> canes or dogs
> >> now
> >> that the full body machine has been installed in most
> airports? What do
> >> we
> >> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to
> submit to the
> >> more intrusive patdown?
> >>
> >> Toni
> >>
> >>
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