[nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

Thu Oct 28 18:47:55 UTC 2010

Hello Lyn and everyone,

    I've been in this exact same environment with several of my dogs without 
any problems. Someone needs to talk to these zoos about the ADA.
We also need to ensure that our state white cane laws are in line with the 
ADA as well. If California still excludes guide dogs from zoos this matter 
needs to be addressed.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

Hi guys,
I don't bring a guide dog into the petting zoo enclosures. Our zoo doesn't
allow it.  I would think that the dog's presence would really upset the
animals in the enclosure - animals like deer, sheep, and other things.
Plus, you've got TONS of little kids running around and our dogs would
become a part of the petting zoo!  Not a place I go to much - unless I go
with a young member of the family. On those excursions, I put Landon in the
zoo's assistance dog kennels.  If I go to the zoo alone or with a friend, I
usually keep Landon with me and just don't go to the aviaries or petting zoo
parts.

If anyone has brought their guide to a petting zoo, what do the other
animals do when they found a dog in their enclosure with them?  Landon has
no problem with other animals.  He's good with our guinea pigs, rabbits, and
rats we broing to Humane Society visitations.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

> Thanks!  i knew that some people had success with guides in petting zoos,
> but I wasn't sure of the legal requirements there.
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
>> Hello Julie and everyone,
>>
>>    I'd be careful about zoos. There are areas where guide dog teams have
>> had direct contact with animals and there were no problems. Petting zoos
>> are
>> an example of this where the public is encouraged to come in and pet the
>> animals. I have been in many such environments with several of my dogs
>> and
>> there were no problems resulting from the presence of my dog. The NFB has
>> fought in some states to gain access to zoos by guide dog teams so do
>> your
>> homework on this one.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>
>>
>> LOL  Confession time, I'm working on my book about guide dogs.  I have a
>> couple of examples of places  that guides can be excluded, but I thought
>> you
>> guys might jog something loose in my head of other places or other issues
>> I
>> wanted to address.
>>
>> I promise not to use information or quotes from anyone without
>> permission.
>>
>> thanks!
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>
>>
>>> And now I've got to ask, what are you doing with this information?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Julie J
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>> Hmmm, not sure.  they definitely wouldn't be if they participated in the
>>>
>>> government hot lunch program or got any other government money.    I'll
>>> have
>>> to think more on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>>> What about private schools?  I'm pretty sure they are not covered
>>>> either.  I could be wrong about this though.  Not an expert on ADA.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/27/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>> I knew a guy who occasionally had to work in a "clean room" in a
>>> factory.
>>>>> Whatever was being made was very sensitive to dust and such.  He had
>>> to
>>>>> wear a special suit, and he couldn't have his dog with him.
>>>>> That's not really a public access thing, though.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to come up with a list of places that are not covered
>>> under
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ADA in regard to public access.  I'm really struggling to come up
>>> with
>>>>>> very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far I'm thinking:
>>>>>> *places of religious worship, when there are no other programs open
>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> public or state or federal funds involved
>>>>>> *private homes
>>>>>> *sterile health care environments, like operating rooms
>>>>>> *zoos when there is direct contact with animals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are these correct?  Are there any others that anyone can think of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks much!
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
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