[nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

Thu Oct 28 20:33:10 UTC 2010

Hi Peter,
Hope all is well with you - you've probably had some bad weather this past 
week!

Please share your experiences in a petting zoo area with your guide.  I want 
to hear aboout what happened, how your dog reacted to the animals, how the 
animals reacted to your dog , and how all the kids were as well.  I have 
never known anyone to have broought their guides into the petting zoo areas 
as it has never been allowed.

Do you know the zoos that permit this?  Here in San Diego, the guide dog 
users are wusses who ABSOLUTELY refuse to fight for oour rights to bring our 
dogs into the zoos and their petting zoo areas.  We are also not allowed to 
bring the dogs into any of the aviaries where the birds are loose and all 
over the place.  To me, what's the difference in having our dogs in the 
aviaries or out on the streets with tons of pidgeons or seagulls?  My dogs 
are fine with all kinds of animals.  To me, I would think that everyone 
knows his or her dog and what kinds of envirnments work best for their own 
dog.

As I was saying before I got sidetracked - the folks here are wusses and I 
would have no company in trying to get our zoo to change their policy on 
this - ADA or not.  I can't do this alone and there's no NFB in my area.  I 
would get no support here - only a ration of crap from the wussy people! 
LOL!

I would however, like to find out from the zoos who permit this feel about 
it.  And any handlers out there who go to the petting zoo in their local 
zoos.  Is there a problem with actual phsyical contact between your dog and 
a deer or whatever they have in the petting zoos?  Does the presence of the 
dog in the enclosure cause undue stress on the animals?

Let me know and maybe I can see what can be done to change this policy at 
the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park on our North County.

Take care,

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

> Hello Lyn and everyone,
>
>    I've been in this exact same environment with several of my dogs 
> without
> any problems. Someone needs to talk to these zoos about the ADA.
> We also need to ensure that our state white cane laws are in line with the
> ADA as well. If California still excludes guide dogs from zoos this matter
> needs to be addressed.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
> Hi guys,
> I don't bring a guide dog into the petting zoo enclosures. Our zoo doesn't
> allow it.  I would think that the dog's presence would really upset the
> animals in the enclosure - animals like deer, sheep, and other things.
> Plus, you've got TONS of little kids running around and our dogs would
> become a part of the petting zoo!  Not a place I go to much - unless I go
> with a young member of the family. On those excursions, I put Landon in 
> the
> zoo's assistance dog kennels.  If I go to the zoo alone or with a friend, 
> I
> usually keep Landon with me and just don't go to the aviaries or petting 
> zoo
> parts.
>
> If anyone has brought their guide to a petting zoo, what do the other
> animals do when they found a dog in their enclosure with them?  Landon has
> no problem with other animals.  He's good with our guinea pigs, rabbits, 
> and
> rats we broing to Humane Society visitations.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
>> Thanks!  i knew that some people had success with guides in petting zoos,
>> but I wasn't sure of the legal requirements there.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>
>>
>>> Hello Julie and everyone,
>>>
>>>    I'd be careful about zoos. There are areas where guide dog teams have
>>> had direct contact with animals and there were no problems. Petting zoos
>>> are
>>> an example of this where the public is encouraged to come in and pet the
>>> animals. I have been in many such environments with several of my dogs
>>> and
>>> there were no problems resulting from the presence of my dog. The NFB 
>>> has
>>> fought in some states to gain access to zoos by guide dog teams so do
>>> your
>>> homework on this one.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL  Confession time, I'm working on my book about guide dogs.  I have a
>>> couple of examples of places  that guides can be excluded, but I thought
>>> you
>>> guys might jog something loose in my head of other places or other 
>>> issues
>>> I
>>> wanted to address.
>>>
>>> I promise not to use information or quotes from anyone without
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>>> And now I've got to ask, what are you doing with this information?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:18 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, not sure.  they definitely wouldn't be if they participated in 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> government hot lunch program or got any other government money.    I'll
>>>> have
>>>> to think more on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What about private schools?  I'm pretty sure they are not covered
>>>>> either.  I could be wrong about this though.  Not an expert on ADA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/27/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I knew a guy who occasionally had to work in a "clean room" in a
>>>> factory.
>>>>>> Whatever was being made was very sensitive to dust and such.  He had
>>>> to
>>>>>> wear a special suit, and he couldn't have his dog with him.
>>>>>> That's not really a public access thing, though.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to come up with a list of places that are not covered
>>>> under
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ADA in regard to public access.  I'm really struggling to come up
>>>> with
>>>>>>> very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I'm thinking:
>>>>>>> *places of religious worship, when there are no other programs open
>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> public or state or federal funds involved
>>>>>>> *private homes
>>>>>>> *sterile health care environments, like operating rooms
>>>>>>> *zoos when there is direct contact with animals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are these correct?  Are there any others that anyone can think of?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks much!
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
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>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>>>>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>>>>> Eyes for the Blind
>>>>>
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>>>>> John 3:16
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