[nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

Fri Apr 22 21:39:54 UTC 2011

Great!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

> Bernie says, "bring it on!"
>
> Lisa and Bernie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>
>
>> Hey, Lisa, we can teach Bernie to follow if you want.  We can start in a 
>> non crowded place to teach him the concept of the "Follow" command and 
>> what he is to do. We can then work up to follow the designated person in 
>> a more busy area.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>
>>
>>> TOday is a good example of when it would have been beneficial to know 
>>> how to use a follow command. Bernie and I kind of followed Landon and 
>>> his handler through very busy areas. I was frustrated and I think Bernie 
>>> was just trying to do his best and seemed confused.
>>>
>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Julie.
>>>> I'm not sure either, but I think having a conversation with the person 
>>>> I'm
>>>> trying to follow helps.  I think it helps keep Ben focussed on the 
>>>> person,
>>>> and helps me know if he's getting other ideas and heading elsewhere.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> To all of you who have taught the follow command, can you share tips 
>>>>> on
>>>>> how
>>>>> you did it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I taught Belle, but I don't really remember completely how I did it. 
>>>>> She
>>>>> picked it up very easily and was one of those dogs who would follow to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> exclusion of all else.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been working on the concept with Monty off and on for a while 
>>>>> now,
>>>>> but
>>>>> he isn't very good at following.  He wants to be out front and in the
>>>>> lead.
>>>>> that's fine most of the time, but sometimes I do need him to follow, 
>>>>> like
>>>>> yesterday when we were following someone in a parking lot to a 
>>>>> particular
>>>>> car.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I got my first dog I taught him to follow on my own. They don't
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> the dogs to just follow people so they don't risk teaching it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carin,
>>>>>> I've known several people who got dogs at Pilot.  They went during 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 80s
>>>>>> and 90s and they had traffic training and their dogs worked fine as 
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could see.  What I did hear is that they don't teach the "Follow"
>>>>>> command.
>>>>>> I have since heard that other schools aren't teaching the "Follow"
>>>>>> command
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, the "Follow" command is a very good one that I use all the 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I'm in a store or just out and about with other guide dog users and I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know the route - usually inside a mall or store.  Out on the street, 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the regular guide commands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Karen Alexander" <kalex710 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:42 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I spoke with Alec a member of Nagdu and a guide dog handler. I found 
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>> that Pilot Dogs train their dogs for only three months. It seems 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are not thoroughly trained with traffic, etc. I am just in the
>>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>>> state of choosing an organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could used input from anyone on this list regarding Pilot Dogs 
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> positive and negative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is a grave concern to me to be given a dog who could put both of 
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> harms way. How can a service dog organization not be called out for
>>>>>>> unsafe
>>>>>>> dogs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The newbie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen Alexander
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> home:    330 864 8351
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mobile:  330 715 4690
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 710 White Pond Dr #705
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Akron, Ohio 44320
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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