[nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

Thu Apr 21 05:03:36 UTC 2011

Bernie says, "bring it on!"

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program


> Hey, Lisa, we can teach Bernie to follow if you want.  We can start in a 
> non crowded place to teach him the concept of the "Follow" command and 
> what he is to do. We can then work up to follow the designated person in a 
> more busy area.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>
>
>> TOday is a good example of when it would have been beneficial to know how 
>> to use a follow command. Bernie and I kind of followed Landon and his 
>> handler through very busy areas. I was frustrated and I think Bernie was 
>> just trying to do his best and seemed confused.
>>
>> Lisa and Bernie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>
>>
>>> Hi Julie.
>>> I'm not sure either, but I think having a conversation with the person 
>>> I'm
>>> trying to follow helps.  I think it helps keep Ben focussed on the 
>>> person,
>>> and helps me know if he's getting other ideas and heading elsewhere.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> To all of you who have taught the follow command, can you share tips on
>>>> how
>>>> you did it?
>>>>
>>>> I taught Belle, but I don't really remember completely how I did it. 
>>>> She
>>>> picked it up very easily and was one of those dogs who would follow to 
>>>> the
>>>> exclusion of all else.
>>>>
>>>> I've been working on the concept with Monty off and on for a while now,
>>>> but
>>>> he isn't very good at following.  He wants to be out front and in the
>>>> lead.
>>>> that's fine most of the time, but sometimes I do need him to follow, 
>>>> like
>>>> yesterday when we were following someone in a parking lot to a 
>>>> particular
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When I got my first dog I taught him to follow on my own. They don't
>>>>> want
>>>>> the dogs to just follow people so they don't risk teaching it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>>
>>>>> Carin,
>>>>> I've known several people who got dogs at Pilot.  They went during the
>>>>> 80s
>>>>> and 90s and they had traffic training and their dogs worked fine as 
>>>>> far
>>>>> as
>>>>> I
>>>>> could see.  What I did hear is that they don't teach the "Follow"
>>>>> command.
>>>>> I have since heard that other schools aren't teaching the "Follow"
>>>>> command
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the "Follow" command is a very good one that I use all the time
>>>>> when
>>>>> I'm in a store or just out and about with other guide dog users and I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know the route - usually inside a mall or store.  Out on the street, I
>>>>> use
>>>>> the regular guide commands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Karen Alexander" <kalex710 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I spoke with Alec a member of Nagdu and a guide dog handler. I found 
>>>>>>out
>>>>>> that Pilot Dogs train their dogs for only three months. It seems that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are not thoroughly trained with traffic, etc. I am just in the
>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>> state of choosing an organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could used input from anyone on this list regarding Pilot Dogs both
>>>>>> positive and negative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a grave concern to me to be given a dog who could put both of 
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> harms way. How can a service dog organization not be called out for
>>>>>> unsafe
>>>>>> dogs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The newbie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen Alexander
>>>>>>
>>>>>> home:    330 864 8351
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mobile:  330 715 4690
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 710 White Pond Dr #705
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Akron, Ohio 44320
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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