[nagdu] hotels

Thu Apr 28 22:46:51 UTC 2011

Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady, whom 
I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me 
immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She doesn't 
say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty 
demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When I 
told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking to 
> them again would help,
> Dar
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity.  I 
>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that sense, 
>> I do work with them.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the 
>>>> messages.
>>>>
>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in 
>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable.  I 
>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>>>>
>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing 
>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem 
>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went 
>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people attending 
>>>> the conference.
>>>>
>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite a 
>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange 
>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and took 
>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything.  He 
>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He relieved 
>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the 
>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped me 
>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk to 
>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker" 
>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they 
>>>>> have liability.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including 
>>>>> doormies
>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping 
>>>>> their
>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to 
>>>>> single
>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker" 
>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though? 
>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is 
>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual with 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity, or
>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because the
>>>>>> entity
>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person doesn't 
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker" 
>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a 
>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives with 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your 
>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that has
>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are 
>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your 
>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for 
>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the 
>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a 
>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the 
>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>> safety office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of 
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that training 
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> going to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through a
>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I 
>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of 
>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>> Monty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You know
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide 
>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me. 
>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.  Yeah, 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor, 
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to 
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info was
>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up for
>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>> and my rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
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