[nagdu] hotels

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Fri Apr 29 08:04:58 UTC 2011


Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a Sharp 
nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
> Just teasing on the spanking.
> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no respect 
> for me.
> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
> That leash stings.
>
> Original message:
>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady, 
>> whom
>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She 
>> doesn't
>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When I
>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.
>
>> Julie
>
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking 
>>> to
>>> them again would help,
>>> Dar
>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity. 
>>>> I
>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that 
>>>> sense,
>>>> I do work with them.
>
>>>> Julie
>
>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>>> messages.
>
>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>
>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing
>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went
>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people 
>>>>>> attending
>>>>>> the conference.
>
>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and 
>>>>>> took
>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything. 
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He relieved
>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the
>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk to
>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>
>>>>>> Julie
>
>
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they
>>>>>>> have liability.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>> Parker,
>
>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.
>
>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though?
>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>
>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity, 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>
>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person 
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>
>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a
>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives 
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your
>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that 
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are
>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>
>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>> safety office.
>
>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>>> this.
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that 
>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> going to.
>
>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>> Monty.
>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You 
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>
>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog. 
>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>
>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info 
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>> and my rights.
>
>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>
>>>>>>>>> Julie
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