[nagdu] hotels

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Fri Apr 29 21:09:12 UTC 2011 

Oh I don't ever worry about my actions, I just do them, and that again 
was years ago.
Trust me I would do it again if I had to.
You truly have to get me to go that far.
I had a stalker in Denver who I slapped with the leash when he wanted 
to get my fanny pack.
He also left me alone.
I still have the paper work that says smile,
You need to be one ball park away from this lady.
So it didn't matter to me if he called the police.
I got this paper work from the court system and I will always keep it 
just encase I get to Denver and need to use it.
Oh yes this lady me of course, had a guy in a wheel chair who wanted to 
chase the dog.
So I solved that problem lifting the guy out of his chair and sitting 
him on the walk, leaving him there, to figure out how he was going to get up.
Trust me he didn't bother us any more.
Even our manager was shocked I would do this, and when he saw what the 
guy was doing, he said, that was polite for me to show him, that we are 
all disabled, and need to respect what we do to get around,
For the blind it is using a dog or cane, and we respect the folks who 
are in wheel chairs.
/The office watched me to make sure that I didn't cause trouble for the 
folks in wheel chairs, and they soon learned we just lived with them 
and wanted to go on our own way.

Original message:
> Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a Sharp
> nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.

> Lisa and Bernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
>> Just teasing on the spanking.
>> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no respect
>> for me.
>> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
>> That leash stings.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady,
>>> whom
>>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She
>>> doesn't
>>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When I
>>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.

>>> Julie




>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking
>>>> to
>>>> them again would help,
>>>> Dar

>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity.
>>>>> I
>>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that
>>>>> sense,
>>>>> I do work with them.

>>>>> Julie


>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar

>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>>>> messages.

>>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.

>>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing
>>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went
>>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people
>>>>>>> attending
>>>>>>> the conference.

>>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He relieved
>>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the
>>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!

>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk to
>>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.

>>>>>>> Julie



>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they
>>>>>>>> have liability.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>> Parker,

>>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to
>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.

>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though?
>>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.

>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,

>>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))

>>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.



>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,

>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala





>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a
>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your
>>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are
>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.

>>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>>> safety office.

>>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>>>> this.

>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that
>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> going to.

>>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>> Monty.

>>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!

>>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*

>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>> and my rights.

>>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.

>>>>>>>>>> Julie
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