[nagdu] hotels

Julie J julielj at neb.rr.com
Fri Apr 29 13:03:20 UTC 2011 

Tami,

LOL Why can I never think of stuff like that to say at the time?

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


> OMG!  I wonder how she would have reacted if you asked her if you could
> borrow all those notes she took during the session on respecting 
> difference?
> Or if she felt better after her nice long nap.  Like you say, the density 
> of
> some people.
>
> Many C/ts to Monty the wonder guide!  Guess your tiny puppy is getting to 
> be
> a grown up after all! /grin/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:47 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady, 
> whom
>
> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She 
> doesn't
> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When I
> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking to
>> them again would help,
>> Dar
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity. 
>>> I
>
>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that 
>>> sense,
>
>>> I do work with them.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>> messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable. 
>>>>> I
>
>>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing
>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went
>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people attending
>>>>> the conference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite a
>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and took
>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything. 
>>>>> He
>
>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He relieved
>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the
>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped me
>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk to
>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users'"
>
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they
>>>>>> have liability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parker,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though?
>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual 
>>>>>>> with
>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity, or
>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because the
>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person doesn't
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a
>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your
>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that has
>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>> safety office.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that 
>>>>>>>> training
>
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> going to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>> Monty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You 
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog. 
>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain 
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up for
>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>> and my rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/parker.owens%40eku.ed
> u
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
> t
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/parker.owens%40eku.ed
> u
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/lirving1234%40cox.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/parker.owens%40eku.ed
> u
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40samobile.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40samobile.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nagdu:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40comcast
> .net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nagdu:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>

More information about the NAGDU mailing list