[nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Sat Apr 30 05:44:12 UTC 2011

Julie I read that and wondered about that myself. I've never self trained a dog before and don't know much about what is involved but wonder about the atitudes of schools about this. Am I right that there are no requirements for certification so I suppose they question the right to self train is that right? If I'm not making sense let me know and I'll try to clarify this. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Are the folks who are claiming that they have a disability and then passing 
their pet off as a service dog putting themselves in danger?

I took the statement to mean that any dog not trained by a professional 
trainer and certified (whatever that means) are dangerous either because 
they are aggressive or not responsive to the needs of the disabled handler.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:56 PM
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>I believe it was referring to the actual handlers, but if we read it
> closely, it is a comment that can be left up to interpretation.  I for
> instance, read it as if we as *legal and authentic* service dog handlers
> abide by what the ADA states, this could be severely jeopardized by those
> who falsely and maliciously pass their pet as a *self-proclaimed service
> dog*.
> Please remember, this is just my interpretation.
>
> I know Ron, and I can bet you a dollar to a donut that he was not 
> referring
> to the ability of a blind handler.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of B Avila Guerrero
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:56 PM
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>
> Julie, was he talking about the people who are passing their dogs off as
> Service Dogs?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
> *"We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
> of those dogs," he said.*
>
> Ummm, so blind/disabled people are too stupid to figure out when the dog
> they are working with isn't safe?
>
> Interesting
> Julie
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:37 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
>
>> What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>> Wednesday, April 27, 2011
>>
>>
>> DETROIT -- Service dogs spend their lives helping humans, but now
>> more and more humans are pulling a scam online that is putting
>> these dogs in danger.
>>
>> Decades have been spent fighting for service dogs to be allowed
>> in restaurants, businesses and airplanes. Now, some say that hard
>> work is in jeopardy.
>>
>> Watch video: What's Putting These Dogs In Danger
>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/27697008/index.html
>>
>> Rod Haneline is the chief program and service officer at Leader
>> Dogs for the Blind in Rochester Hills. He said there's a new scam
>> popping up where people are are buying service dog ID badges and
>> harnesses for their own household pets, instead of for a trained
>> and certified dog.
>>
>> "We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
>> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
>> of those dogs," he said.
>>
>> Leader Dogs for the Blind has been in business since 1939, and
>> has been providing trained dogs, free of charge, to those who
>> utilize them.
>>
>> The dogs must complete a 16- to 18- week course. Haneline said
>> about 40 percent of dogs pass the necessary requirements to
>> become service dogs.
>>
>> He said the dogs handlers are trained just as rigorous.
>>
>> "That instructor serves a three-year apprenticeship. And, once
>> again, they have to meet all IGDF standards throughout that
>> apprenticeship," Haneline said.
>>
>> Richard Michael is a class coordinator for the company.
>>
>> "If we allow every dog access, or every animal access, then you
>> will never see a service dog in an aircraft or restaurant," he
>> said.
>>
>> With hundreds of hours spent on each dog's training, Michael said
>> it's just not right for someone to be able to pay money and
>> receive a badge saying their pet is certified.
>>
>> "The pet is there and we can all enjoy companionship, the service
>> dog has a specific role to play," he said.
>>
>> He warned that the dogs with the fake badges could be dangerous
>> and act out in a public setting. He said all it takes is once
>> incident involving an unruly animal to tarnish the work of real
>> service dogs.
>>
>> Under the law, a business does have the right to ensure that the
>> dog being brought into the establishment is clean and under
>> control. They cannot ask what the disability is but can ask what
>> assistance the dog is providing.
>>
>>
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