[nagdu] hotels

Sat Apr 30 06:19:14 UTC 2011

The flip-side of navigating the domestic violence community is that one of 
the advocates that supported me in court is of the muslim faith. We had a 
couple of discussions about dogs, guide dogs and the Koran. Gosh, I miss 
her. She was a heaven sent angel.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

> Lisa,
>
> :Yikes!  Self-advocacy under circumstances like that is just... 
> exhausting.
> And nigh on to impossible.  Doesn't matter what you do or what you say, 
> the
> fact that you need something from someone for some reason means nobody is
> ever going to listen to what you say...  And it's your fault for being 
> such
> a loser as to get yourself into in the first place, right?
>
> That's why I'm really proud to see NAGDU stand up for people who are being
> treated badly by guid dog programs.  Having someone with more clout than 
> you
> to stand up to your abusers with you goes a long, long way.  /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lisa Irving
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
> Hmm, you take things to a level I hadn't considered. Go girl! If my life
> isn't in danger or there's no serious threat to my dog's safety or to 
> mine,
> I'll stick to the sharp nudging of the invader's hand.  I guess, do what
> works.
>
> Lisa and Bernie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>> Oh I don't ever worry about my actions, I just do them, and that again 
>> was
>
>> years ago.
>> Trust me I would do it again if I had to.
>> You truly have to get me to go that far.
>> I had a stalker in Denver who I slapped with the leash when he wanted to
>> get my fanny pack.
>> He also left me alone.
>> I still have the paper work that says smile,
>> You need to be one ball park away from this lady.
>> So it didn't matter to me if he called the police.
>> I got this paper work from the court system and I will always keep it 
>> just
>
>> encase I get to Denver and need to use it.
>> Oh yes this lady me of course, had a guy in a wheel chair who wanted to
>> chase the dog.
>> So I solved that problem lifting the guy out of his chair and sitting him
>> on the walk, leaving him there, to figure out how he was going to get up.
>> Trust me he didn't bother us any more.
>> Even our manager was shocked I would do this, and when he saw what the 
>> guy
>
>> was doing, he said, that was polite for me to show him, that we are all
>> disabled, and need to respect what we do to get around,
>> For the blind it is using a dog or cane, and we respect the folks who are
>> in wheel chairs.
>> /The office watched me to make sure that I didn't cause trouble for the
>> folks in wheel chairs, and they soon learned we just lived with them and
>> wanted to go on our own way.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a
>>> Sharp
>>> nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.
>>
>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
>>>> Just teasing on the spanking.
>>>> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no
>>>> respect
>>>> for me.
>>>> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
>>>> That leash stings.
>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One 
>>>>> lady,
>>>>> whom
>>>>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>>>>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>>>>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking. 
>>>>> When
>
>>>>> I
>>>>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.
>>
>>>>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if 
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> them again would help,
>>>>>> Dar
>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same
>>>>>>> entity.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that
>>>>>>> sense,
>>>>>>> I do work with them.
>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>
>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>>>>>> messages.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is
>>>>>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in
>>>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no 
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I
>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people
>>>>>>>>> attending
>>>>>>>>> the conference.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and
>>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with 
>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He
>>>>>>>>> relieved
>>>>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has 
>>>>>>>>> helped
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method,
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> have liability.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Parker,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as 
>>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a
>>>>>>>>>> disability.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation
>>>>>>>>>>> though?
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, 
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there 
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>>>>> safety office.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that
>>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for
>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or
>>>>>>>>>>>> reimbursing
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monty.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about 
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra 
>>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>> and my rights.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
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