[nagdu] hotels

Fri Apr 29 23:22:55 UTC 2011

Up here in Montana where I live, it seems so far the folks have respect.
I have the huffy ladies but over all they get over it smile.
I just share with them when they are in a huff, that exercise is good 
for the soul.
Then they truly get huffy and off they go.
I smile.

Original message:
> Awesome! sometimes you gotta get your point across

> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:09 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

> Oh I don't ever worry about my actions, I just do them, and that again
> was years ago.
> Trust me I would do it again if I had to.
> You truly have to get me to go that far.
> I had a stalker in Denver who I slapped with the leash when he wanted
> to get my fanny pack.
> He also left me alone.
> I still have the paper work that says smile,
> You need to be one ball park away from this lady.
> So it didn't matter to me if he called the police.
> I got this paper work from the court system and I will always keep it
> just encase I get to Denver and need to use it.
> Oh yes this lady me of course, had a guy in a wheel chair who wanted to
> chase the dog.
> So I solved that problem lifting the guy out of his chair and sitting
> him on the walk, leaving him there, to figure out how he was going to get
> up.
> Trust me he didn't bother us any more.
> Even our manager was shocked I would do this, and when he saw what the
> guy was doing, he said, that was polite for me to show him, that we are
> all disabled, and need to respect what we do to get around,
> For the blind it is using a dog or cane, and we respect the folks who
> are in wheel chairs.
> /The office watched me to make sure that I didn't cause trouble for the
> folks in wheel chairs, and they soon learned we just lived with them
> and wanted to go on our own way.

> Original message:
>> Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a
>> Sharp
>> nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.

>> Lisa and Bernie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
>>> Just teasing on the spanking.
>>> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no respect
>>> for me.
>>> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
>>> That leash stings.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady,
>>>> whom
>>>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>>>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She
>>>> doesn't
>>>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>>>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When
>>>> I
>>>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.

>>>> Julie

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking
>>>>> to
>>>>> them again would help,
>>>>> Dar

>>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that
>>>>>> sense,
>>>>>> I do work with them.

>>>>>> Julie

>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar

>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>>>>> messages.

>>>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.

>>>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing
>>>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went
>>>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people
>>>>>>>> attending
>>>>>>>> the conference.

>>>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and
>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He
>>>>>>>> relieved
>>>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the
>>>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!

>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.

>>>>>>>> Julie

>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they
>>>>>>>>> have liability.

>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>> Parker,

>>>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a
>>>>>>>>> disability.

>>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though?
>>>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.

>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,

>>>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))

>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.

>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,

>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala

>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are
>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.

>>>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>>>> safety office.

>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>>>>> this.

>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that
>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> going to.

>>>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or
>>>>>>>>>>> reimbursing
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>>> Monty.

>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!

>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first
>>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*

>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>> and my rights.

>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.

>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
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