[nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Sat Apr 30 21:10:57 UTC 2011

Sheila,

Makes sense, and you do have it right.  Owner-trainers, as we prefer to be
called, are absolutely thrilled about this attitude and how many times we
have it expressed to us by people who strongly feel we need to better
informed about what a problem we are for everyone else.  Such public
services as they are performing must be conducted in the most offensive way
possible, it seems and the service provider must by all means insure we
understand that they know what they're talking about while we are obviously
much to stupid to have considered any of it ourselves.  /smile/

Then, of course, there are those folks who ask questions and share
experiences and tell what they know about the service dog industry in an
interesting conversational fashion, so they more than make up for the public
servants.  /smile/

Over the course of that past few years, I have learned more than I really
want to know about the many layers of fraud and abuse out there.  The more I
think about it and the more I turn things around in my head, the more I
become convinced that more laws are not the solution.  More law enforcement
and stricter penalties and swifter justice would go much much further than
putting more words on paper for people to ignore and exploit.  Not that I
have an opinion or anything.  /grin/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sheila Leigland
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Julie I read that and wondered about that myself. I've never self trained a
dog before and don't know much about what is involved but wonder about the
atitudes of schools about this. Am I right that there are no requirements
for certification so I suppose they question the right to self train is that
right? If I'm not making sense let me know and I'll try to clarify this.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Are the folks who are claiming that they have a disability and then passing 
their pet off as a service dog putting themselves in danger?

I took the statement to mean that any dog not trained by a professional 
trainer and certified (whatever that means) are dangerous either because 
they are aggressive or not responsive to the needs of the disabled handler.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

>I believe it was referring to the actual handlers, but if we read it
> closely, it is a comment that can be left up to interpretation.  I for
> instance, read it as if we as *legal and authentic* service dog handlers
> abide by what the ADA states, this could be severely jeopardized by those
> who falsely and maliciously pass their pet as a *self-proclaimed service
> dog*.
> Please remember, this is just my interpretation.
>
> I know Ron, and I can bet you a dollar to a donut that he was not 
> referring
> to the ability of a blind handler.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of B Avila Guerrero
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:56 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
> Julie, was he talking about the people who are passing their dogs off as
> Service Dogs?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
> *"We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
> of those dogs," he said.*
>
> Ummm, so blind/disabled people are too stupid to figure out when the dog
> they are working with isn't safe?
>
> Interesting
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:37 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
>
>> What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>> Wednesday, April 27, 2011
>>
>>
>> DETROIT -- Service dogs spend their lives helping humans, but now
>> more and more humans are pulling a scam online that is putting
>> these dogs in danger.
>>
>> Decades have been spent fighting for service dogs to be allowed
>> in restaurants, businesses and airplanes. Now, some say that hard
>> work is in jeopardy.
>>
>> Watch video: What's Putting These Dogs In Danger
>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/27697008/index.html
>>
>> Rod Haneline is the chief program and service officer at Leader
>> Dogs for the Blind in Rochester Hills. He said there's a new scam
>> popping up where people are are buying service dog ID badges and
>> harnesses for their own household pets, instead of for a trained
>> and certified dog.
>>
>> "We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
>> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
>> of those dogs," he said.
>>
>> Leader Dogs for the Blind has been in business since 1939, and
>> has been providing trained dogs, free of charge, to those who
>> utilize them.
>>
>> The dogs must complete a 16- to 18- week course. Haneline said
>> about 40 percent of dogs pass the necessary requirements to
>> become service dogs.
>>
>> He said the dogs handlers are trained just as rigorous.
>>
>> "That instructor serves a three-year apprenticeship. And, once
>> again, they have to meet all IGDF standards throughout that
>> apprenticeship," Haneline said.
>>
>> Richard Michael is a class coordinator for the company.
>>
>> "If we allow every dog access, or every animal access, then you
>> will never see a service dog in an aircraft or restaurant," he
>> said.
>>
>> With hundreds of hours spent on each dog's training, Michael said
>> it's just not right for someone to be able to pay money and
>> receive a badge saying their pet is certified.
>>
>> "The pet is there and we can all enjoy companionship, the service
>> dog has a specific role to play," he said.
>>
>> He warned that the dogs with the fake badges could be dangerous
>> and act out in a public setting. He said all it takes is once
>> incident involving an unruly animal to tarnish the work of real
>> service dogs.
>>
>> Under the law, a business does have the right to ensure that the
>> dog being brought into the establishment is clean and under
>> control. They cannot ask what the disability is but can ask what
>> assistance the dog is providing.
>>
>>
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