[nagdu] Dogs In Harness

Mon Aug 1 16:58:03 UTC 2011

Yes. I also left my dog's harnesses on for long periods of time. We all have to work long days. If I had a dog that couldn't do this, well, then maybe that dog wasn't right for my lifestyle. 
There is a difference between the harness causing pain and the harness just being on. 

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness

I will take off the harness handle during a long flight, but, because Caroline wears a Pawpower harness these days, I don't feel it necessary to take off the whole thing. she's not weighed down by leather and metal the way she was when she wore the school harness.

As far as leaving her in harness during the work day, I tend to do this because I tend to work with clients in my office. So, it's better for her to stay in harness, rather than to be free. It reminds her not to socialize, and it also serves as a reminder to those with whom I am working. At least, this was how it worked out for me when I interned.

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On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Dan Weiner wrote:

> Marion, thank you so much for clarifying this point.
> 
> Some handlers are so afraid of the implications of taking off the harness
> that they will leave their dogs in harness on a long flight or for eight
> hours at work.
> I'm not saying a handler shouldn't do that if they feel it appropriate, but
> taking off the harness at work or on a flight will not automatically
> decertify the dog as a service animal.
> I personally remove the harness on flights and shove it under the seat or
> whatever the way Wayne described in one of his posts.
> At work I would remove my last dog, Evan's harness for comfort's sake and no
> one had the temerity to say anything because, frankly, unless you mention it
> yourself it is immaterial to the general public.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:29 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness
> 
> Larry,
>    First of all, let me welcome you to our list. As for the requirement of
> a harness, this is a myth some of the guide dog training programs promulgate
> and it is just that - a myth. Prior to the ADA, some state laws had such a
> requirement, either expressedly or by implication. As an example of the
> "expressedly" assertion is Michigan's statute 750.502c which states, "if the
> guide or leader dog is wearing a harness or if the hearing dog or service
> dog is wearing a blaze orange leash and collar, hearing dog cape, or service
> dog backpack, and the person with disabilities being led or accompanied has
> 
> in his or her possession a pictured identification card certifying that the
> dog was trained by a qualified organization or trainer." An example of the
> implied statement can be found in Georgia code 30-4-2 - 4 which states, "The
> guide dog or service dog must be identified as having been trained by a
> school for seeing eye, hearing, service, or guide dogs." Some laws use the
> verbage, readily identifiable". All of this is preempted by the Code of
> Federal Regulations (
> 28 CFR part 35.104 & 28 CFR Part 36.104) which clearly states, "A public
> entity shall not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has
> been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal." In its business
> brief "Commonly Asked questions About Service Animals", the United States
> Department of Justice offers the following guidance: "Some, but not all,
> service animals wear special collars and harnesses". The gear does not a
> service animal make! A service animal is defined by its training. Whether or
> not the dog is in harness, you have the right to be accompanied by your
> service dog.
> 
>    If I am taking a walk with my dog out of harness, using my cane, and
> decide to stop into the grocery store to pick up some items, I have no
> qualms taking my dog into the store with me. I do not make it a regular
> practice, but there is no prohibition of this. I am still disabled and my
> dog is still a service animal. More of this type of information will be
> shared during our upcoming teleconference, "Service Animals in Places of
> Public Accommodation" on August 21. Space is still available, but filling up
> quickly. Registration has only been open for one week and half the seats are
> filled! To register for the teleconference, send your name, City & state,
> and email address to
> 
> 
> 
> Info at NAGDU.ORG
> 
> 
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> 
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:27 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness
> 
> 
>> I thaught they could hassle you if you're dog wasn't in harness.  With 
>> Holly, I leave it on almost always.  The exceptions are if I'm 
>> somewhere I usually go like church where I know lots of people want to 
>> pet her.  If I have time and am waiting for a cab, I take it off so she 
>> can interact with the kids.  Fortunately, she knows the difference and 
>> when I put the harness back on she just knows its over!
>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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