[nagdu] Dogs In Harness

[Dan Weiner]

Well, be that as it may, Rebecca, when I worked the harness was off if I
didn't feel I needed to be walking around back and forth.  My dog was
certainly able to work long hours.
So, it's whatever we're comfortable with as I said.
My point was that the fact of having the harness off didn't decertify him as
a guide dog just as Marion pointed out.
 
Dan the man, Carter the Dog


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:58 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness

Yes. I also left my dog's harnesses on for long periods of time. We all have
to work long days. If I had a dog that couldn't do this, well, then maybe
that dog wasn't right for my lifestyle. 
There is a difference between the harness causing pain and the harness just
being on. 


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Shannon Dyer
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness

I will take off the harness handle during a long flight, but, because
Caroline wears a Pawpower harness these days, I don't feel it necessary to
take off the whole thing. she's not weighed down by leather and metal the
way she was when she wore the school harness.

As far as leaving her in harness during the work day, I tend to do this
because I tend to work with clients in my office. So, it's better for her to
stay in harness, rather than to be free. It reminds her not to socialize,
and it also serves as a reminder to those with whom I am working. At least,
this was how it worked out for me when I interned.

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On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Dan Weiner wrote:

> Marion, thank you so much for clarifying this point.
> 
> Some handlers are so afraid of the implications of taking off the 
> harness that they will leave their dogs in harness on a long flight or 
> for eight hours at work.
> I'm not saying a handler shouldn't do that if they feel it 
> appropriate, but taking off the harness at work or on a flight will 
> not automatically decertify the dog as a service animal.
> I personally remove the harness on flights and shove it under the seat 
> or whatever the way Wayne described in one of his posts.
> At work I would remove my last dog, Evan's harness for comfort's sake 
> and no one had the temerity to say anything because, frankly, unless 
> you mention it yourself it is immaterial to the general public.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:29 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness
> 
> Larry,
>    First of all, let me welcome you to our list. As for the 
> requirement of a harness, this is a myth some of the guide dog 
> training programs promulgate and it is just that - a myth. Prior to 
> the ADA, some state laws had such a requirement, either expressedly or 
> by implication. As an example of the "expressedly" assertion is 
> Michigan's statute 750.502c which states, "if the guide or leader dog 
> is wearing a harness or if the hearing dog or service dog is wearing a 
> blaze orange leash and collar, hearing dog cape, or service dog 
> backpack, and the person with disabilities being led or accompanied 
> has
> 
> in his or her possession a pictured identification card certifying 
> that the dog was trained by a qualified organization or trainer." An 
> example of the implied statement can be found in Georgia code 30-4-2 - 
> 4 which states, "The guide dog or service dog must be identified as 
> having been trained by a school for seeing eye, hearing, service, or 
> guide dogs." Some laws use the verbage, readily identifiable". All of 
> this is preempted by the Code of Federal Regulations (
> 28 CFR part 35.104 & 28 CFR Part 36.104) which clearly states, "A 
> public entity shall not require documentation, such as proof that the 
> animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal." 
> In its business brief "Commonly Asked questions About Service 
> Animals", the United States Department of Justice offers the following 
> guidance: "Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and 
> harnesses". The gear does not a service animal make! A service animal 
> is defined by its training. Whether or not the dog is in harness, you 
> have the right to be accompanied by your service dog.
> 
>    If I am taking a walk with my dog out of harness, using my cane, 
> and decide to stop into the grocery store to pick up some items, I 
> have no qualms taking my dog into the store with me. I do not make it 
> a regular practice, but there is no prohibition of this. I am still 
> disabled and my dog is still a service animal. More of this type of 
> information will be shared during our upcoming teleconference, 
> "Service Animals in Places of Public Accommodation" on August 21. 
> Space is still available, but filling up quickly. Registration has 
> only been open for one week and half the seats are filled! To register 
> for the teleconference, send your name, City & state, and email 
> address to
> 
> 
> 
> Info at NAGDU.ORG
> 
> 
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> 
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:27 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Dogs In Harness
> 
> 
>> I thaught they could hassle you if you're dog wasn't in harness.  
>> With Holly, I leave it on almost always.  The exceptions are if I'm 
>> somewhere I usually go like church where I know lots of people want 
>> to pet her.  If I have time and am waiting for a cab, I take it off 
>> so she can interact with the kids.  Fortunately, she knows the 
>> difference and when I put the harness back on she just knows its over!
>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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