[nagdu] airport adventure

Julie McGinnity kaybaycar at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 20:55:21 UTC 2011

Hi Sam.

I was asked at one point to take off my dog's leash and harness.  It
does happen.  I was so flustered and confused that I complied.
Thankfully, my dog was good, but later, I felt horrible.  What if my
dog had been distracted?  They would have been chasing her through the
airport.  Lol  But seriously, the TSA official told us at convention
that under no circumstances can a security person make us remove our
dog's leash or harness at the airport.  I don't know where these
people get their misinformation.

On 8/11/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> FYI, this happened to me coming back from Convention, and being a travel
> professional, and I also spoke to the TSA person that we had at convention
> talking to us about the procedure of the airport.
> I have asked to let go of the dog and walk through without him.
> This was the first time that this has ever happened to me in 4 years of
> having my dog and I travel a lot.
> So, when he said to let go of my dog, I said no, that is not the procedure,
> and I wanted to speak to a supervisor, he also wanted me to remove my
> insulin pump from my body, not from the case, I told him that was not the
> procedure as well, since if I remove it from my body I put my life at stake
> because I couldn't put it back in.
> He started calling me difficult, and finally said that the supervisor was
> not around, and I said I wanted his name, he wouldn't give it to me, but
> once I went through the correct procedure, and was talk to another TSA
> person, she gave me his name, and said he has been harassing people all day.
>  This was at the Orlando Airport coming home to Long Island.
> The proper procedure, and I was told that what I did was correct by the
> Gentleman from the NAGDU meeting and from the Manager at the Orlando Airport
> TSA, since I called when I got home is
> I ask the dog to sit stay, make a long leash, and hold onto the least and I
> walk through the metal detector first, when I come through, I call the dog
> to come, the metal alarm will go off, and they will gentle pat down the dog,
> of course, Maxx gives out free kisses normally at this point, he is such a
> flirt.
> That is the proper procedure.  If someone tells you differently, get a
> supervisor or call the TSA when you get home, give them approximately what
> time it happened, what airline and get you were trying to get to, the time
> of your flight.  So they can track down who did what they did.
> Do not be afraid to put you foot down.
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)<mailto:REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>   To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>   Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:35 AM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] airport adventure
>   Sounds like Sam percieved the interaction not as force but as "Hey, this
> dude seems cool, so I'll do what he asks".
>   We've all been there
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nimer M. Jaber, IC³
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:08 PM
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] airport adventure
>   Hey Sam,
>   Nobody in this or any other universe would _ever be able to force me
>   to take my dog's harness, leash or collar off. The minute that
>   happens, I maintain verbal control, but that's not enough for my
>   comfort level in a busy airport. This is where I would have raised
>   hell. Second, I would have taken up the issue of seating with the
>   flight attendant simply because of the reason that they are often
>   unwilling to delay a flight, and you telling them that the "ADA"
>   doesn't have anything in it about forcing a disabled passenger to sit
>   in a certain row will normally fix the problem, result in you being
>   moved, and the airline staff being educated. I would not be forced to
>   _ever remove anything from my animal, and I would not _ever sit in a
>   bulkhead seat, even if it would mean rescheduling and making a larger
>   issue of it. That's just me, and I'm sure not everyone would handle
>   that stuff the same.
>   Thanks.
>   On 10.08.2011, Sam Hogle <smhogle at gmail.com<mailto:smhogle at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>   > Hello all. I thought this would be interesting since we've been on this
>   > topic lately. Mason and I spent the last week in NC, and had an
>   > interesting experiense today that I haven't had before and hope to not
>   > have again. Normally, I've noticed that airport staff are generally
>   > nervous around Mason. However, the guy working security was the exact
>   > opposite. In fact, when the harness set off the alarm, he wanted me to
>   > remove it along with the leash and collar. I thought this was odd, but
>   > since the guy was cooperating with me in helping me keep control of him,
>   > something that was not an issue since he was behaving, and it sped up
>   > the process, I wasn't sure what good complaining would do. Also, I'd
>   > never heard of this happening before. So, that resolved itself and we
>   > continued on our way. At that point, I was thinking that things would go
>   > smoothly when the gate agent walked over and said that I "Had to sit in
>   > the bulk head." I patiently informed her that I did not have to do this,
>   > to which she responded that it was their policy. I followed up with the
>   > fact that the ADA keeps this from happening, to which she replied, "It
>   > doesn't say anything like that in the MDA." You got it people, she
>   > couldn't even get the name right. Anyway, she went to talk to her
>   > supervisor, and came back with the same answer. I told her that he
>   > physically wouldn't fit there since they couldn't block off the seat
>   > next to me and there was nothing for him to go under. She responded
>   > with, "not a problem. We can put you in the aisle." I then said that he
>   > would be in danger of getting run over by the drink carts or stepped on
>   > by other pasengers, and that this still wouldn't solve the fact that he
>   > would be in the leg room of the person next to me. At this point, a man
>   > sitting a few feet away said he didn't mind sitting there, which made me
>   > realize that we were having this discussion in earshot of everyone,
>   > something I thought was extremely unprofessional on her part. Anyway,
>   > after that man said that, she said that they would also let me know when
>   > the cart was coming, and that Mason would be in no danger. I told her
>   > that this was still unsafe, and that I couldn't ride there, to which she
>   > responded, "You have too or you won't go on this flight." At this point
>   > I was at a loss. Since she was being unreasonable and didn't even want
>   > to listen to what I had to say, reasoning with her was out. I also knew
>   > that I couldn't talk with her supervisor since I heard them talking at
>   > the counter, and knew they were on the same side. I'd thought about
>   > leaving and trying to rebook my flight since I had no obligations at
>   > home, but had no way to get the hour long distanse from the airport to
>   > my aunt's since she was at work at that point and couldn't leave. So, I
>   > had decided that I would wait untill we were boarding and talk with the
>   > flight attendent. I figured they would see that Mason wouldn't fit, and
>   > we could easily straighten this out. However, I guess karma decided to
>   > step in first. It turns out that the plane we were supposed to ride on
>   > had maintinanse issues, and the flight was canseled. There were some
>   > vacant seats on a flight leaving an hour and a half later, and one of
>   > those seats was given to me. Luckily, that gate agent was more than
>   > accomidating and the original agent saw the whole transaction. So, I
>   > guess that showed her what she could do with her "policies." lol Anyway,
>   > Mason and I made it home safely, and I'm definitely considering writting
>   > to Delta about this one. I don't mind educating people about rules and
>   > regulations, but I won't have people completely brush me off and treat
>   > me or my dog like second class citizens.
>   > Sam and Seeing Eye Dog Mason
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