[nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this organization

Margo and Arrow margo.downey at verizon.net
Thu Aug 18 21:50:40 UTC 2011 

Brian, thinking further, what information do you have to suggest we would 
censor the facts that come to light whatever they are?

Me thinks, Brian, that a more balanced approach is a good thing.

margo and Arrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
organization


> Hi Brian,
>
> First, I don't think anyone will dispute that Fidelco has trained 
> excellent teams and has enjoyed a fine and well-deserved reputation. 
> However, with the allegations of the sort that NAGDU has put forth, and 
> I've heard these from more quarters than just here and from more than just 
> Marion's account, the pattern of Mr. Russman's leadership is difficult to 
> deny. I'll say no more than this, not being a graduate myself, but being 
> well acquainted with several and being on the listserv in question. It's 
> pretty safe to say that the discontent here isn't just limited to NAGDU's 
> complaint.
>
> Be that as it may, let's assume for the moment that all of the complaints, 
> all of the problems that have come to light, are blown out of all 
> reasonable proportion, and that Fidelco has acted honorably in all cases, 
> but that NAGDU was hoodwinked into an angry overreaction with absolutely 
> no basis in fact. When all of the facts do come to light, what proof do 
> you have that we will, as you suggest, censor that outcome, and that, 
> should someone attempt to post findings contrary to our position, that 
> such a post would be censored? What proof have you that such has happened 
> in the past? Moreover, how can such a thing be accomplished on a listserv 
> whose membership is open and has no moderation of postings, short of the 
> removal and banning of people who have repeatedly and willfully caused 
> problems? Of course, such problems are a matter of record, and those posts 
> are available and uncensored. So what proof have you that NAGDU will, in 
> effect, rewrite history in this case?
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Bryan Brown wrote:
>
>> Marion
>>
>> I believe that the information if and when the truth comes out will 
>> either be moderated or censored and will not be allowed on the list, I 
>> think it would make you Marion  and the rest of the Nagdu leadership look 
>> very bad.
>>
>> I have well placed  faith in Fidelco and I know more of the facts than 
>> you may be aware of. "my sources will remain anonymous" sound familiar?
>>
>> Marion  you have been lied to and the longer and harder you push the more 
>> foolish you and the rest of the Nagdu leadership behind you  are going to 
>> appear. It's a shame that Nagdu has to be guided with anger and paranoia. 
>> This could be a well respected advocacy group.
>>
>>   B
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala" 
>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this 
>> organization
>>
>>
>>> Bryan,
>>>   Just as some say that the organization is biased against Fidelco, so, 
>>> too, are some of its consumers. You have had a positive experience and 
>>> seem to slight those who choose to remain anonymous because of their 
>>> real fears of retaliation. we have given Fidelco numerous opportunities 
>>> to respond to our concerns and they refuse to do so. Those who have 
>>> experienced problems with Fidelco have attempted to address them with 
>>> the administration and the Board of Directors and their concerns have 
>>> been ignored. Even when an individual asked for an explanation, Fidelco 
>>> hid behind confidentiality. How is it a violation of confidentiality to 
>>> not share information with the person themselves?
>>>   Fidelco has been offered an opportunity to respond in the Braille 
>>> Monitor and have refused to take advantage of this opportunity. the 
>>> comment that is made that, when the "truth of this issue comes to light" 
>>> you will not hear about it on this list demonstrates the bias you hold 
>>> and the lack of trust you have in this organization. Whatever the 
>>> outcome, it will be shared on this list. I am confident in the position 
>>> we have taken. Why else would we open ourselves up to the possibility 
>>> Fidelco will take action against us. We would actually welcome it, as 
>>> Fidelco would then be required to produce evidence that our assertions 
>>> are incorrect and they cannot do this.
>>>   We took extreme precautions to ensure that the information we shared 
>>> was accurate.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brown" 
>>> <bryanbrown at solarus.biz>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
>>> organization
>>>
>>>
>>>> Reinhard,
>>>>
>>>>   I was just recently placed with my second Fidelco dog. I am very 
>>>> happy with the dogs and the service that I have received from Fidelco.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few people who have a negative opinion about Fidelco on 
>>>> this list. I encourage you to take a look at the facts. The people who 
>>>> have complained about Fidelco have remained anonymous and none of the 
>>>> allegations have been proven or substantiated.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that when the truth of these matters eventually comes to the 
>>>> surface you will probably not hear about it on this list. Many people 
>>>> will be embarrassed and the faith that current NAGDU members have in 
>>>> their leadership will be unforgettably shaken.
>>>>
>>>> I am a strong supporter of Fidelco and what the organization stands 
>>>> for. Please feel free to contact me off list at
>>>>
>>>> bryanbrown at solarus.biz
>>>>
>>>> if you would like to.
>>>>
>>>>   thanks,
>>>>   Bryan
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "reinhard stebner" 
>>>> <rwstebner at aol.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
>>>> organization
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good day to you,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just joined this list in hopes of getting opinions of Fidelco guide 
>>>>> dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) What have you thought  about Fidelco dogs?  I recently say a 
>>>>> Braille monitor article about one users bad experience with Fidelco. 
>>>>> I had applied for a dog from them in February and was just approved to 
>>>>> get a guide from them.  After reading the article, I have doubts if I 
>>>>> have made the correct decision with attending this guide school.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) All of the dogs that I have seen from this school have been very 
>>>>> well trained and respond well to their handlers.  I wanted a German 
>>>>> Shepherd and did not have time to go to a traditional school.  I have 
>>>>> had poor matches from other schools and wanted to give a smaller 
>>>>> school a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any constructive feedback is welcome about guide dogs schools.  I want 
>>>>> to make sure I am making the best possible decision and not have 
>>>>> issues with he school.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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