[nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this organization

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 18 21:54:00 UTC 2011


He also seems to know something that we don't by saying we are being 
hoodwinked, as he puts it.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this 
organization


> Brian, thinking further, what information do you have to suggest we would
> censor the facts that come to light whatever they are?
>
> Me thinks, Brian, that a more balanced approach is a good thing.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> organization
>
>
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > First, I don't think anyone will dispute that Fidelco has trained
> > excellent teams and has enjoyed a fine and well-deserved reputation.
> > However, with the allegations of the sort that NAGDU has put forth, and
> > I've heard these from more quarters than just here and from more than 
> > just
> > Marion's account, the pattern of Mr. Russman's leadership is difficult 
> > to
> > deny. I'll say no more than this, not being a graduate myself, but being
> > well acquainted with several and being on the listserv in question. It's
> > pretty safe to say that the discontent here isn't just limited to 
> > NAGDU's
> > complaint.
> >
> > Be that as it may, let's assume for the moment that all of the 
> > complaints,
> > all of the problems that have come to light, are blown out of all
> > reasonable proportion, and that Fidelco has acted honorably in all 
> > cases,
> > but that NAGDU was hoodwinked into an angry overreaction with absolutely
> > no basis in fact. When all of the facts do come to light, what proof do
> > you have that we will, as you suggest, censor that outcome, and that,
> > should someone attempt to post findings contrary to our position, that
> > such a post would be censored? What proof have you that such has 
> > happened
> > in the past? Moreover, how can such a thing be accomplished on a 
> > listserv
> > whose membership is open and has no moderation of postings, short of the
> > removal and banning of people who have repeatedly and willfully caused
> > problems? Of course, such problems are a matter of record, and those 
> > posts
> > are available and uncensored. So what proof have you that NAGDU will, in
> > effect, rewrite history in this case?
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Bryan Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Marion
> >>
> >> I believe that the information if and when the truth comes out will
> >> either be moderated or censored and will not be allowed on the list, I
> >> think it would make you Marion  and the rest of the Nagdu leadership 
> >> look
> >> very bad.
> >>
> >> I have well placed  faith in Fidelco and I know more of the facts than
> >> you may be aware of. "my sources will remain anonymous" sound familiar?
> >>
> >> Marion  you have been lied to and the longer and harder you push the 
> >> more
> >> foolish you and the rest of the Nagdu leadership behind you  are going 
> >> to
> >> appear. It's a shame that Nagdu has to be guided with anger and 
> >> paranoia.
> >> This could be a well respected advocacy group.
> >>
> >>   B
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
> >> <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this
> >> organization
> >>
> >>
> >>> Bryan,
> >>>   Just as some say that the organization is biased against Fidelco, 
> >>> so,
> >>> too, are some of its consumers. You have had a positive experience and
> >>> seem to slight those who choose to remain anonymous because of their
> >>> real fears of retaliation. we have given Fidelco numerous 
> >>> opportunities
> >>> to respond to our concerns and they refuse to do so. Those who have
> >>> experienced problems with Fidelco have attempted to address them with
> >>> the administration and the Board of Directors and their concerns have
> >>> been ignored. Even when an individual asked for an explanation, 
> >>> Fidelco
> >>> hid behind confidentiality. How is it a violation of confidentiality 
> >>> to
> >>> not share information with the person themselves?
> >>>   Fidelco has been offered an opportunity to respond in the Braille
> >>> Monitor and have refused to take advantage of this opportunity. the
> >>> comment that is made that, when the "truth of this issue comes to 
> >>> light"
> >>> you will not hear about it on this list demonstrates the bias you hold
> >>> and the lack of trust you have in this organization. Whatever the
> >>> outcome, it will be shared on this list. I am confident in the 
> >>> position
> >>> we have taken. Why else would we open ourselves up to the possibility
> >>> Fidelco will take action against us. We would actually welcome it, as
> >>> Fidelco would then be required to produce evidence that our assertions
> >>> are incorrect and they cannot do this.
> >>>   We took extreme precautions to ensure that the information we shared
> >>> was accurate.
> >>>
> >>> Fraternally yours,
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brown"
> >>> <bryanbrown at solarus.biz>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:09 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> >>> organization
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Reinhard,
> >>>>
> >>>>   I was just recently placed with my second Fidelco dog. I am very
> >>>> happy with the dogs and the service that I have received from 
> >>>> Fidelco.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are a few people who have a negative opinion about Fidelco on
> >>>> this list. I encourage you to take a look at the facts. The people 
> >>>> who
> >>>> have complained about Fidelco have remained anonymous and none of the
> >>>> allegations have been proven or substantiated.
> >>>>
> >>>> I feel that when the truth of these matters eventually comes to the
> >>>> surface you will probably not hear about it on this list. Many people
> >>>> will be embarrassed and the faith that current NAGDU members have in
> >>>> their leadership will be unforgettably shaken.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am a strong supporter of Fidelco and what the organization stands
> >>>> for. Please feel free to contact me off list at
> >>>>
> >>>> bryanbrown at solarus.biz
> >>>>
> >>>> if you would like to.
> >>>>
> >>>>   thanks,
> >>>>   Bryan
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "reinhard stebner"
> >>>> <rwstebner at aol.com>
> >>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:40 AM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> >>>> organization
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Good day to you,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just joined this list in hopes of getting opinions of Fidelco 
> >>>>> guide
> >>>>> dogs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) What have you thought  about Fidelco dogs?  I recently say a
> >>>>> Braille monitor article about one users bad experience with Fidelco.
> >>>>> I had applied for a dog from them in February and was just approved 
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> get a guide from them.  After reading the article, I have doubts if 
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> have made the correct decision with attending this guide school.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) All of the dogs that I have seen from this school have been very
> >>>>> well trained and respond well to their handlers.  I wanted a German
> >>>>> Shepherd and did not have time to go to a traditional school.  I 
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> had poor matches from other schools and wanted to give a smaller
> >>>>> school a try.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any constructive feedback is welcome about guide dogs schools.  I 
> >>>>> want
> >>>>> to make sure I am making the best possible decision and not have
> >>>>> issues with he school.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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