[nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this organization

Margo and Arrow margo.downey at verizon.net
Thu Aug 18 21:54:58 UTC 2011 

cheryl, why would someone correct what they don't feel needs correcting?

Margo and Arrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
organization


> Also Buddy I would add that if Fidelco was hoodwinking NAGDU and it's 
> clients, patrons, puppy raisers, wouldn't they be trying to correct the 
> issue, and let us know that what has happened was a mistake or it never 
> happened or whatever.
>
> Then they should be open to tell us about it, instead of not saying 
> anything.
>
> If they have nothing to hide, and they came to the NFB Convention, was a 
> vendor at the convention, they gave their annual report to NAGDU, but 
> didn't give the respect to Marion or the Division by answering our 
> questions.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this 
> organization
>
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> First, I don't think anyone will dispute that Fidelco has trained 
>> excellent teams and has enjoyed a fine and well-deserved reputation. 
>> However, with the allegations of the sort that NAGDU has put forth, and 
>> I've heard these from more quarters than just here and from more than 
>> just Marion's account, the pattern of Mr. Russman's leadership is 
>> difficult to deny. I'll say no more than this, not being a graduate 
>> myself, but being well acquainted with several and being on the listserv 
>> in question. It's pretty safe to say that the discontent here isn't just 
>> limited to NAGDU's complaint.
>>
>> Be that as it may, let's assume for the moment that all of the 
>> complaints, all of the problems that have come to light, are blown out of 
>> all reasonable proportion, and that Fidelco has acted honorably in all 
>> cases, but that NAGDU was hoodwinked into an angry overreaction with 
>> absolutely no basis in fact. When all of the facts do come to light, what 
>> proof do you have that we will, as you suggest, censor that outcome, and 
>> that, should someone attempt to post findings contrary to our position, 
>> that such a post would be censored? What proof have you that such has 
>> happened in the past? Moreover, how can such a thing be accomplished on a 
>> listserv whose membership is open and has no moderation of postings, 
>> short of the removal and banning of people who have repeatedly and 
>> willfully caused problems? Of course, such problems are a matter of 
>> record, and those posts are available and uncensored. So what proof have 
>> you that NAGDU will, in effect, rewrite history in this case?
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Bryan Brown wrote:
>>
>> > Marion
>> >
>> > I believe that the information if and when the truth comes out will 
>> > either be moderated or censored and will not be allowed on the list, I 
>> > think it would make you Marion  and the rest of the Nagdu leadership 
>> > look very bad.
>> >
>> > I have well placed  faith in Fidelco and I know more of the facts than 
>> > you may be aware of. "my sources will remain anonymous" sound familiar?
>> >
>> > Marion  you have been lied to and the longer and harder you push the 
>> > more foolish you and the rest of the Nagdu leadership behind you  are 
>> > going to appear. It's a shame that Nagdu has to be guided with anger 
>> > and paranoia. This could be a well respected advocacy group.
>> >
>> >   B
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala" 
>> > <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this 
>> > organization
>> >
>> >
>> >> Bryan,
>> >>   Just as some say that the organization is biased against Fidelco, 
>> >> so, too, are some of its consumers. You have had a positive experience 
>> >> and seem to slight those who choose to remain anonymous because of 
>> >> their real fears of retaliation. we have given Fidelco numerous 
>> >> opportunities to respond to our concerns and they refuse to do so. 
>> >> Those who have experienced problems with Fidelco have attempted to 
>> >> address them with the administration and the Board of Directors and 
>> >> their concerns have been ignored. Even when an individual asked for an 
>> >> explanation, Fidelco hid behind confidentiality. How is it a violation 
>> >> of confidentiality to not share information with the person 
>> >> themselves?
>> >>   Fidelco has been offered an opportunity to respond in the Braille 
>> >> Monitor and have refused to take advantage of this opportunity. the 
>> >> comment that is made that, when the "truth of this issue comes to 
>> >> light" you will not hear about it on this list demonstrates the bias 
>> >> you hold and the lack of trust you have in this organization. Whatever 
>> >> the outcome, it will be shared on this list. I am confident in the 
>> >> position we have taken. Why else would we open ourselves up to the 
>> >> possibility Fidelco will take action against us. We would actually 
>> >> welcome it, as Fidelco would then be required to produce evidence that 
>> >> our assertions are incorrect and they cannot do this.
>> >>   We took extreme precautions to ensure that the information we shared 
>> >> was accurate.
>> >>
>> >> Fraternally yours,
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brown" 
>> >> <bryanbrown at solarus.biz>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:09 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
>> >> organization
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Reinhard,
>> >>>
>> >>>   I was just recently placed with my second Fidelco dog. I am very 
>> >>> happy with the dogs and the service that I have received from 
>> >>> Fidelco.
>> >>>
>> >>> There are a few people who have a negative opinion about Fidelco on 
>> >>> this list. I encourage you to take a look at the facts. The people 
>> >>> who have complained about Fidelco have remained anonymous and none of 
>> >>> the allegations have been proven or substantiated.
>> >>>
>> >>> I feel that when the truth of these matters eventually comes to the 
>> >>> surface you will probably not hear about it on this list. Many people 
>> >>> will be embarrassed and the faith that current NAGDU members have in 
>> >>> their leadership will be unforgettably shaken.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am a strong supporter of Fidelco and what the organization stands 
>> >>> for. Please feel free to contact me off list at
>> >>>
>> >>> bryanbrown at solarus.biz
>> >>>
>> >>> if you would like to.
>> >>>
>> >>>   thanks,
>> >>>   Bryan
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "reinhard stebner" 
>> >>> <rwstebner at aol.com>
>> >>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:40 AM
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this 
>> >>> organization
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Good day to you,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just joined this list in hopes of getting opinions of Fidelco 
>> >>>> guide dogs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) What have you thought  about Fidelco dogs?  I recently say a 
>> >>>> Braille monitor article about one users bad experience with Fidelco. 
>> >>>> I had applied for a dog from them in February and was just approved 
>> >>>> to get a guide from them.  After reading the article, I have doubts 
>> >>>> if I have made the correct decision with attending this guide 
>> >>>> school.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) All of the dogs that I have seen from this school have been very 
>> >>>> well trained and respond well to their handlers.  I wanted a German 
>> >>>> Shepherd and did not have time to go to a traditional school.  I 
>> >>>> have had poor matches from other schools and wanted to give a 
>> >>>> smaller school a try.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any constructive feedback is welcome about guide dogs schools.  I 
>> >>>> want to make sure I am making the best possible decision and not 
>> >>>> have issues with he school.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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